luka

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I don't think anybody ever really wants to look into that sort of thing.
theres no looking into it involved becasue they know pricesly how it happens and revealing it exposes how incestuous and intimate and grubby 'journalism' is.
 

version

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theres no looking into it involved becasue they know pricesly how it happens and revealing it exposes how incestuous and intimate and grubby 'journalism' is.
Yeah, that's what I mean by nobody wants to look into it. Similar situation to this stuff with the reports of the whips threatening and blackmailing people.
 

shakahislop

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i wonder a bit what it must like to be him right now. strange to think of him hauling his carcass into bed and staring at the ceiling trying to work out what to do, which he surely must do.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
theres no looking into it involved becasue they know pricesly how it happens and revealing it exposes how incestuous and intimate and grubby 'journalism' is.
And party politics itself. It's like I Claudius, or better still, House of Cards - I love it.

 

linebaugh

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just now realized this thread was about boris johnson. thought it was some quixotic sufi thread about being a bohemian
 

sufi

lala
lovely to see the dog evacuation coming back up to bite the fat complacent lying arse, right on time,

it would be good if his epitaph is the pm who evacuated a plane load of dogs from burning afghanistan
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Just to make it clear, the other day I was talking about the boring "middle-brow" bit of political debate - I didn't mean this stuff, the manoeuvring and backstabbing, this is the low-brow stuff, if it was a film it would be... a trash film obviously, but which one? Something enjoyably fun to watch anyhow.

It would be great to know the truth and have it compiled so as to give us the full story which would read like one of those great historical power struggle novels such as The Accursed Kings. I doubt that we will ever get that though. In time probably everyone involved will write their version, coloured by bias and self-aggrandisement and making it very clear that everything went wrong was someone else's fault. Maybe reading loads of them might allow one to work out the truth but so far into the future I'll have lost interest.

So we're very much outsiders peering in trying to figure out what is happening. Beyond the obvious - Johnson is a reckless fool whose actions have left him exposed and vulnerable, and now person or persons unknown are taking advantage of that - I doubt we'll learn much for the mo.
 

Leo

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I can't bring myself to link to, or even read, this article:

Boris Johnson to visit Ukraine region and hold call with Putin next week​

 

wild greens

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Boris using the US genuflect role to absorb the war scenario as an attempt to subvert partygate attention is certainly a novel one

Maybe he needs to visit his handler
 

Leo

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he probably figures at this point, it's worth a try. he can say "I'm dealing with Putin and world peace, don't bother me with scuttlebutt about some party." I'm sure some people will fall for it.
 

woops

is not like other people
he probably figures at this point, it's worth a try. he can say "I'm dealing with Putin and world peace, don't bother me with scuttlebutt about some party." I'm sure some people will fall for it.
he is literally saying this, been telling other tories it's a bad time to replace him cos of the ukraine thing.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich

More likely...

Bozza: You're breaking international law Vlad
Vlad: Yes, but only in a specific and limited way.

he probably figures at this point, it's worth a try. he can say "I'm dealing with Putin and world peace, don't bother me with scuttlebutt about some party." I'm sure some people will fall for it.

Not even a shadow of a doubt that that will be one of the strategies he will employ. This is a big part of the problem with what's going on now and something that people who say "It's only a cake" or whatever are totally missing. Johnson's priority is to "save Big Dog" as he allegedly put it and if I say that the national interest is at best a distant second, I mean an embarrassingly distant second, a second place that has been double-lapped by the winner. If someone comes along and says "I can sort this out for you but you have to raise interest rates to twenty percent, lock the UK into a deal to buy all of their oil from Uzbekistan for a hundred years and make Peter Sutcliffe the Archbishop of Canterbury" he'll say "Sure, where do I sign?".
 
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wild greens

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Just another iron in the fire.

I'm sure loads have read de Montaigne "on diversion" but there's good paragraph in it I like

... Having need of a powerful diversion to disengage me, by art and study I became amorous, wherein I was assisted by my youth: love relieved and rescued me from the evil wherein friendship had engaged me. ‘Tis in everything else the same; a violent imagination hath seized me: I find it a nearer way to change than to subdue it: I depute, if not one contrary, yet another at least, in its place. Variation ever relieves, dissolves, and dissipates. If I am not able to contend with it, I escape from it; and in avoiding it, slip out of the way, and make, my doubles; shifting place, business, and company, I secure myself in the crowd of other thoughts and fancies, where it loses my trace, and I escape.

& no doubt dozens have tried to talk about Boris through such a reference, i think its a pretty standard thing when they talk about his approach to politics- i think he's even been found to talk about it before publicly.

The approach in this instance will drag him further into the mire though I think. It is one thing to talk about a land war in Asia* but this is probably more about US strategic NATO influence than it necessarily about Ukraine in and of itself.

If you look at the countries admitted into NATO over the last 15-20 years they're your Albania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Latvia etc. All these gaffs strategically positioned against the Russians and no doubt full of US stationed power now, a nuke or two. So Ukraine is just a pin on the map to regain a bit of strength i think. It's like how the Yanks take intermittent runs at Iraq and why everyone wanted to get stuck into Afghanistan

Now, the Germans have blocked Estonian weapon transfer and are defacto in charge of Europe, resisting supposed NATO consensus. Boris however needs a situation where he can show a bollock and will offer troops up to avoid retribution for having some malbec and a boot.

It might be a cold year
 

version

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Supposedly there's an American think tank report floating about that says there's so much Russian money swirling round London and the Tories in particular that it may become an obstacle for the US.
 
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