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[IdleRich]

There's a DeLillo interview where he says something about the modern conspiracy theory - the interview was published in 2010, iirc - being less about the theory and more about it being a statement of protest and dissatisfaction. It's not the actual narrative, it's that it disagrees with the official one.

I think that that is what I subconsciously believed, and that is definitely the case a lot of the time, but it can't be the case with the guy who attacked Paedo Express or... well, this

Wright, armed with a rifle in a black armored truck, blocked the Mike O'Callaghan-Pat Tillman Bridge over the Colorado River at the Hoover Dam, where the Arizona and Nevada state lines meet. According to the Arizona Department of Public Safety, when authorities arrived Wright was standing next to the vehicle with a sign that read, "Release the OIG report," known as a prominent demand of QAnon followers.

Or this...

Cecilia Fulbright, 30, was arrested in Waco, Texas, after two drivers reported being chased by another driver, and one reported being repeatedly rammed by another vehicle, the Waco Tribune-Herald reported. Officers said Fulbright told them afterwards that she believed the driver whose car she hit was a pedophile and that she was rescuing a young girl from being trafficked, the paper reported. Her blood alcohol level at the time was more than double the legal limit.
Two of Fulbright’s acquaintances told Right Wing Watch that she had become deeply absorbed in the QAnon conspiracy theory, including talking about how Trump was “literally taking down the cabal and the pedophile ring” and that she continued to describe herself as a follower of QAnon even after her arrest.

There are numerous ones about parents who have been ruled unfit and had their children taken away mentioning Q-Anon as justification when they get arrested trying to steal them back, but I see that as slightly different in that they no doubt wanted the kids back anyway and the conspiracy just provided a bit more justification.

But the guy who blocks the dam and demands the release of some non-existent document (the impossible demands I was talking about above) is clearly a true believer in something that only exists within Q-anon. That's what I was trying to get at above I think, there seems to have been a shift with green-crayon types previously being defined as against the prevailing narrative, whereas now they seem to be very much for a particular alternative narrative. To use the terminology of types of freedom, it seems that there has been some sort of movement from negative tin-foil-hattery to positive tin-foil-hattery. A group whose members were once defined by their extreme scepticism is now made up of ardent believers.

 

[wild greens]

The functional myth of sovereign citizenship continues apace


Granted this is only loosely about Boris now but what is Boris if not a fictional construct anyway

 

[IdleRich]

If only there were some sort of thread about vigilantes.

 

[wild greens]

I think calling this lot vigilantes is incorrect; the intransigent motivation removes them from usual narratives

It is more akin to proud boys emulation in the case of e.g. alpha men assemble, but with a more obtuse anti-establishment angle

perhaps a domestic radicalisation thread would be better

 

[IdleRich]

Stop undermining my cheapshot sarcasm with actual relevant points.

 

[luka]

we've got one of those it's called the radicalisation of Danny L.

 

[wild greens]

I think it needs a snappier title than that. I'll have a think

 

[mixed_biscuits]

The functional myth of sovereign citizenship continues apace


Granted this is only loosely about Boris now but what is Boris if not a fictional construct anyway

You say that but it's not as if there is any absolute legitimacy to any authority if God is disregarded.

 

[WashYourHands]

Paul Boys/Proud Boys, a razor sharp mind like mine can get scragged on such disregarded details

 

[wild greens]

You say that but it's not as if there is any absolute legitimacy to any authority if God is disregarded.

Whilst I agree with the loose concept that if the western imperial machine is to adjust fairly to societal change, it must make itself vulnerable to deconstruction and interrogation by those it has oppressed, I am reluctant to accept the idea that an quasi-army of MMA fighters wearing flat caps in thrall to obscure OPCA/pseudolaw is necessarily the correct route in which this is to be established.

 

[IdleRich]

Today’s political culture is “rancid and dangerous” and Boris Johnson should be ashamed of telling a lie that led to street violence, a senior Church of England bishop has said.

Seems pretty clear to me that Johnson should be thrown naked into a great pit of fire where there will be a wailing and a gnashing of teeth.

 

[craner]

He won't fall on his sword, so unless the Tory sharks bite in the next few days, I reckon he's safe.

And it looks like he is.

 

[Leo]

I'm convinced that if Watergate happened today, Nixon wouldn't have stepped down. politicians just seem to slide on everything nowadays, doesn't matter if their transgressions are all over the press. people just don't seem to care anymore, or have refocused their outrage elsewhere.

 

[jenks]

I'm convinced that if Watergate happened today, Nixon wouldn't have stepped down. politicians just seem to slide on everything nowadays, doesn't matter if their transgressions are all over the press. people just don't seem to care anymore, or have refocused their outrage elsewhere.

I said as much to my son (after explaining what Watergate was and therefore why every scandal afterwards has the suffix -gate, what do they teach them in schools??)

 

[Leo]

if trump cronies broke into a democratic campaign office, that would rank among the least terrible things he'd been connected to. no one would remember the following week.

 

[Mr. Tea]

I said as much to my son (after explaining what Watergate was and therefore why every scandal afterwards has the suffix -gate, what do they teach them in schools??)

If Watergate happened today, it would have to be called Watergate-gate.

 

[IdleRich]

I said as much to my son (after explaining what Watergate was and therefore why every scandal afterwards has the suffix -gate, what do they teach them in schools??)

It's weird that the -gate suffix somehow became transferable, not totally sure why.

 

[IdleRich]

If Watergate happened today, it would have to be called Watergate-gate.

Oh yeah you already made my point.

 

[IdleRich]

if trump cronies broke into a democratic campaign office, that would rank among the least terrible things he'd been connected to. no one would remember the following week.

Although if Clinton was even vaguely accused of thinking about doing something similar she would need to be executed obviously.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe has finally been released from jail, no thanks to a certain fat useless shit.

Free at last: Zaghari-Ratcliffe and Ashoori head back to UK after six-year ordeal

Liz Truss says British-Iranian dual nationals are flying back to Britain after being released from custody in Iran

www.theguardian.com