Interesting ethnic folkways

[firefinga]

Yodel-Gabba from 1993

 

[luka]

Race Purity in Music.

http://musiksalon.universaledition.com/en/article/race-purity-in-music?pdf=29

I highly recommend this. I heard of it via Prynnes stern rebuke to Haneke

 

[muser]

I was in Austria recently someone played me a modern pop ballad with a few subtle yodels peppered in, cant remember what it was. When you walk into McDonalds there a tannoy yodels at you though.

 

[luka]

I don't want to talk about yodelling.

 

[forclosure]

Race Purity in Music.

http://musiksalon.universaledition.com/en/article/race-purity-in-music?pdf=29

I aint been on here for a while,somebody made me aware of this and since i dunno if anybody adressed it im gonna be the person

Luke what the fuck you playing at?

 

[luka]

Have you read it? It is not an argument for race purity (which, as this thread argues, is an artifical cobstruct, a gaudy, vulgar fiction) but for the very opposite.

 

[forclosure]

i tried to and ill be honest i ended up skimming through it

I know Bartok was Hungarian but it doesnt surprise me when European composers have mad ideas on race

 

[pattycakes_]

So you got angry about something you didn't even read?

 

[thirdform]

I read it. he's right that eastern european folk stuff is multivaried, but precisely b/c it extends from the balkans to the bengal and walls of China, and he misses this point out. I'm not sure if north african arab music is as unvaried as he says, though I'd probably grant that point to an extent, given that i can hear worlds of melodic differences in different regions of turkish folk music whereas arabic stuff seems to be more rhythmically different not tonally. maghrebi stuff has more lapsided rhythmic structures whereas egyptian stuff is more overtly middle eastern.

 

[thirdform]

So you got angry about something you didn't even read?

to be fair, posting an article called race purity in music with the pdf being titled article.pdf did raise some eyebrows on my end and I took the time to read it.

 

[pattycakes_]

Well obviously, but read the 2 pages before reacting innit

 

[thirdform]

also I'm not sure in that last bit whether he's talking about arab music or berber music. one i know more about, the other i have close to nil knowledge of.

 

[thirdform]

Well obviously, but read the 2 pages before reacting innit

If you do this for every random ting u see on the internet I'd be amazed.

 

[luka]

Bartok was an outspoken anti fascist anti nazi in a time and place in which that demanded great personal bravery and integrity. The article is the exact opposite of what you assume it is and the context of the thread and the arguments the thread puts forward should indicate as much, even without reading the article

 

[pattycakes_]

If you do this for every random ting u see on the internet I'd be amazed.

I don't tend to get upset at them either. And as luka just said, the context of the thread, also this forum, luka's musical tastes and track record should be enough to know. Not to mention bartok being famously antifa before it was hip.

 

[thirdform]

I know about bartok, after all ataturk commissioned him to compile most of the turkish folksongs we hear today.

dumping an article called race purity in music with no context and instructing people to read a pdf without saying what you think is a bit suspect though.

however I read it I'm just trying to empathise with webbie here. something that always seems to be a simmering conflict on this forum that crowl (who also hasn't been on here for a while) highlighted on his comments about irreverence of the self.

anyway, I feel I'm at liberty to say that I alerted webbie to the article, not in an alarmed way, just what the actual fuck did Luke post here? not that I was saying the article was racist or antiracist. just that title. crucify me if you must.

 

[thirdform]

anyhow, as u were.

 

[sadmanbarty]

nobody on dissensus is racist. nobody on dissensus is ignorant about the history and discourse surrounding race relations. nobody has genuine animosity towards another user. nobody is saying something with intent of hurting another user's feeling.

i'm not talking solely about this situation, it just seems recently like every time an interesting idea is posited or a thread gets going it's always derailed or inhibited by users either being personally offended or saying something is more generally offensive or feeling like somebody is attacking them, etc. the forum loses all momentum and dynamism because of it.

how about we all just remember that everyone on this forum is of sound moral character and maybe spend less time trying to pick fights/catch each other out/feeling aggrieved at something somebody's said, and instead focus their efforts on saying something interesting or fun.

 

[pattycakes_]

Not to mention diving in with yer size twelves and making all kinds of useless analogies just to wave yer big intellectual dick around. Stops threads in their tracks.

That subject's worth a thread in itself tho and I almost started it yesterday. The systematic shutting down of quality discourse. But with a snappy title.

Everything is loaded. We're all on the defensive. There's a general level of mutual antagonism. We're all taking out our personal life problems on each other. Etc

 

[thirdform]

I mean you can start that thread its a free country but it will either get ignored or get an echo chamber. And something tells me you won't be satisfied with either outcome.