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This is interesting cos I thought that Ledger's joker was supposed to be Mr. Chaos
He makes an ideological argument for it though, talking about fairness, and has some sort of committed position and plan for the city and how people will respond.

Phoenix is someone who's just snapped and given up.


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pheonix is shitposting joker? chaos for its own sake. a riot not for a grievance but for the sheer fun of rioting.