luka

Well-known member
Anyway let's crack on with the interesting discussion points I put forward this morning.
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
I almost feel envious of people who can take such a strong position of dislike. It speaks of a certainty that I don't have.

I've enjoyed Autechre (without loving them) when I've listened and a lot of the criticisms pointed out upthread just didn't occur to me.
 

Leo

Well-known member
you make my points better than I do, luka. can I hire you to be my spokesperson? I'll occasionally PM you some rough bullet point thoughts and you can develop it into insightful prose.
 

luka

Well-known member
How do you feel about stuff like Parmegiani? You don't really get anything about being a Frenchman from it. It's just sounds in space, much like Ae.

If you're wondering what Bernard Parmesan sounds like there's a couple of his hits on this mix I found
 

firefinga

Well-known member
The only times I actually heard Autechre's music was the occasional track John Peel played on his shows in the mid90s. It was ok, however it paled compared to the Gabba and Jungle Peel also played at the time.
 

sadmanbarty

Well-known member
draft 7.30 is their best album

it's egon schiele music. brittle, cerebral palsy physicality to it. sexual repression.

though without the humanity. autecher have taken the emotional vulnerability of schiele out of the equation. you're just left with the angular geometrics of it.
 

CrowleyHead

Well-known member
Anyway let's crack on with the interesting discussion points I put forward this morning.

It wasn't an interesting point so let's skip ahead to the part where you project your childhood neglect onto the board and throw a tantrum again.
 

mvuent

Void Dweller
has anyone changed their perspective on “autecher” in any way as a result of all the recent talk?

even though I like to think of myself as having the attitude Crowley described, I'll admit I haven’t at all. feels like its just been a chance to regurgitate opinions we all formed years ago. if nothing else I’m hoping Craner believes me that they really DO like their early work.
 

sadmanbarty

Well-known member
has anyone changed their perspective on “autecher” in any way as a result of all the recent talk?

even though I like to think of myself as having the attitude Crowley described, I'll admit I haven’t at all. feels like its just been a chance to regurgitate opinions we all formed years ago. i

well i wouldn't worry too much about people liking or disliking something*, they're just springboards for conversation. a binary like/dislike discussion isn't going to be as ideas-rich as something where we're talking about the music's social ramifications, it's physiological connotations, etc.

autecher gets lots of traction among dissensians, so luke rather cleverly decided to harness that level of engagement to muster a big group chat, from which we hopefully can pick out some interesting ideas and articulate things we otherwise wouldn't have.

as it happens a few comments ago i did my egon schiele comparison, which is engaging with autecher in a less meta way than my previous posts.


* nobody on dissensus likes the music i'm into, third i think runs into similar problems a lot the time and yet we're two of the most prolific posters. sharing a taste in music isn't essential for enjoying the forum.
 

mvuent

Void Dweller
absolutely. that was what I meant. new insights not like/dislike. although having said that I think you and third have great music taste. I want to like the music you like.

and yeah the non-autechre "big picture" side of this has been good, still a lot more to be said there.
 
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craner

Beast of Burden
Now that Barty has pointed it out, I've noticed that all their early tunes are cheap cheese and I've chucked Amber in the bin. It's funny that suddenly Autechre like it again, and now I've binned it.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
I mean it's more cringe to see middle class people pretending to be down with a proletariat they have nebulously defined, which ultimately is the endpoint of being disillusioned with the hardcore continuum. that's why i only ever cared for it as a trajectory and not an ontological theory.

drill isn't really working class music either. it was ultimately lumpen. undisciplined, a product of thatcherism. break down the solidarity and organisational capacity of the working class by expanding the lumpen proletariat, drag more people into the informal and criminal economies to prevent them from winning back what they deserve through collective organisation. it's actually closer to the middle class atomised consciousness than this forum would like to admit. dog eat dog. it's just that consciousness is seen as legitimate for the middle class and criminal for those sections of the decaying working class which are forced into a position of being the scum of humanity.

as for the spastic rhythms comment, well, you don't really have standing legs to moan about the 2step lock grid nature of post-96 dnb if all along what you wanted was genteel breaks in an ltj bukem stylee, because that style has always been out there. fact is there is loads of very spastic jungle from 93-95.

I get that defending the charts at all costs makes you seem in touch with the proles but we all know thats a middle class hoax isn't it. it's like 20th century marxists stuck in a timeloop crying for a pure authentic proletariat. they will never ever find such a thing.

As for the aut in autechre and incels, you can go on baiting them all you like but childhood projected ableism is not a good look is it. this goes back to, once again, the self-recriminating anti-intellectual tradition in middle class British public life of dismissing anything that one can't comprehend with bewildered contempt.

It seems to me yyou guys feel the middle class guilt more than I do. I just don't share the same irreverence and don't try to hide my insecurities in some weird ham-fisted constepated attempt.
 
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thirdform

pass the sick bucket
it's egon schiele music. brittle, cerebral palsy physicality to it. sexual repression.

though without the humanity. autecher have taken the emotional vulnerability of schiele out of the equation. you're just left with the angular geometrics of it.

that's great. anti-human agenda. I'm bored of humans. machines are far more interesting. we can't recombine in infinite permutations. even our outrage and our elation is ruthlessly scripted now. noone commits suicide when they're loved up on mdma. yet that could be a very celebratory act. even funeral music is becoming a worldwide dirge now. death is scary. it wasn't for many years.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
has anyone changed their perspective on “autecher” in any way as a result of all the recent talk?

even though I like to think of myself as having the attitude Crowley described, I'll admit I haven’t at all. feels like its just been a chance to regurgitate opinions we all formed years ago. if nothing else I’m hoping Craner believes me that they really DO like their early work.

Not autechre, but I gotta tip it to crowl in gratification for turning me off pharoah's bandleader albums for good after you lot spoke about them in this forum. all the comedy shaman cliches are so apparent to me. all the rock cliches, i can hear them now which i don't hear in a lee morgan or frank lowe or coltrane or cecil taylor etc etc. which brings me onto another point you raised: autechre requires repeated listening, sure, that's a stumbling block, but so does cecil taylor or rahsan roland kirk.

plaid got shit when they left the black dog as well.

as for afx's more beat orientated drill n bass tunes, its basically dinner party autechre isn't it? just like pharoah is dinner party free jazz. there is a cybernetic violence in autechre, it's just that because its the violence of the code eating itself and recombining it can't obviously have recourse to guns and knives tropes.
 
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