the socialism of fools

[sadmanbarty]

To be honest I was undecided about if I’d vote for labour or not, but after seeing all these instances of anti-Semitism I feel I have no choice but to vote for them.

 

[yyaldrin]

i guess some people would rather vote for adolf hitler than corbyn cos of labour's antisemitism

 

[sadmanbarty]

I wonder how many traditional Tory voters are now considering voting labour because if the antisemitism

 

[sadmanbarty]

Has there been any polling about whether the public particularly give a shit about this?

My hunch is that they don’t. Maybe there’s something inherently damaging about having an air of scandal about, but British people don’t care about the jooooooz.

 

[sadmanbarty]

The impetus for this thread was my surprise that the custodians of the liberal elite were pretty much at ease with voting for and endorsing labour. Of the centre-left commentariat it’s only jews (Cohen, Friedland, arovinovitch) who are holding steadfast.

 

[sufi]

The submission of Jewish Lablour Movement to the EHRC's report into Labour has been leaked. This dude has gone through it all, and highlights sections in this thread. To say it's damning is an understatement:

what, he highlighted sections from this thread? yikes

 

[sufi]

what, he highlighted sections from this thread? yikes

Seriously tho Adam Wagner is very good on this issue.
Oddly enough i went to meet his org about some work with them a while ago, i read his tweets about this issue beforehand and then was randomly interviewed about it in the street by ITN that same day - a few people told me they saw me on the box

 

[DannyL]

I think I said this upthread but it's hard to understand. Corbyn is a life long anti-racist, been on the left all his life - the idea of him as a racist, or the party as racist doesn't wash with the general public. Whereas with Boris and co. we'd be more surprised if they weren't outright fucking nazis. I don't know what effect it will have on Labour if nothing else it ties up a lot of internal resources. It'll make a lot of people online incandescent with rage but that's hardly anything new.

 

[sadmanbarty]

“I oppose dissensus and all forums of racism”

 

[DannyL]

Very depressing this stuff I think. Reading through some of those comments, it's just ugly and horrible. Seems very weird to have this running as electoral mood music, I normally manage to make myself falsely optimistic beforehand.

 

[muser]

Has there been any polling about whether the public particularly give a shit about this?

My hunch is that they don’t. Maybe there’s something inherently damaging about having an air of scandal about, but British people don’t care about the jooooooz.

I think its biggest effect, and why it's so often brought up by people on the right is that it feels like its getting even.. no longer is being accused of bigotry or racism exclusively for the right, the left can get it too, it gives people a warm fuzzy feeling and affirmation.

 

[craner]

I think its biggest effect, and why it's so often brought up by people on the right is that it feels like its getting even.. no longer is being accused of bigotry or racism exclusively for the right, the left can get it too, it gives people a warm fuzzy feeling and affirmation.

This is very true, and there's a glee to the proceedings which betrays it.

 

[sadmanbarty]

I think its biggest effect, and why it's so often brought up by people on the right is that it feels like its getting even.. no longer is being accused of bigotry or racism exclusively for the right, the left can get it too, it gives people a warm fuzzy feeling and affirmation.

it's an improvement on "positive discrimination is racist"/"white people not being able to say the n word is racist".

 

[version]

The submission of Jewish Labour Movement to the EHRC's report into Labour has been leaked. This dude has gone through it all, and highlights sections in this thread. To say it's damning is an understatement:

Yeah, that is pretty damning. Very depressing.

 

[version]

Tories investigate three candidates over alleged antisemitism

The Conservatives are investigating three parliamentary candidates over antisemitism and are facing calls to suspend them before the election.

Sally-Ann Hart, standing in the Tory marginal seat of Hastings, shared a video with an image implying that the billionaire George Soros, who is Jewish, controls the EU, and she also liked a Nazi slogan on Facebook.

Lee Anderson, standing for the Conservatives in Labour-held Ashfield, is an active member of Ashfield Backs Boris, a Facebook group where Soros conspiracy theories have been promoted and which includes supporters of the far-right activist Tommy Robinson.

Richard Short, the candidate for St Helens South and Whiston, is being investigated for asking whether a Jewish journalist was more loyal to Israel than to Britain.

Hart, who is standing in the seat of the former Tory minister Amber Rudd, posted a link to a YouTube video in 2017 about the EU, which used Soros’s image. The businessman has been widely accused of pulling strings in the EU, which has previously been condemned as antisemitic slur. She then liked a comment left underneath the video that said “Ein Reich”, a Nazi slogan.

Hart has already caused controversy this election when it was revealed at a hustings that she had claimed some people with learning disabilities should be paid less than the minimum wage because they “don’t understand money”. She said her comments had been taken out of context but she apologised for causing offence.

The Ashfield Backs Boris Facebook group, of which Anderson is an active member and which is moderated by local Tory activists connected to his campaign, has regularly posted Soros conspiracy theories. Members of the group have written comments such as: “The entire exploiters of the anti-Brexit vote are now attempting to uproot the voters via pressure from Soros. What say you UK? Who is your master?” Another wrote: “It’s scary how much Soros runs/owns/manipulates.”

A comment about the remain campaigner Gina Miller said: “Gina Singh needs to keep her Soros-backed nose out.”

Short’s tweet from 2013 was directed at Melanie Phillips, who was appearing on the BBC’s Question Time. He wrote: “Being a bit zionist is her allegiance to UK or Israel.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...te-three-candidates-over-alleged-antisemitism

 

[Mr. Tea]

Since this now seems to be the default antisemitism thread, I just read this extremely thorough and moving piece and would highly recommend it:


The last paragraph:

At this point, I can’t make anyone listen. I have promised my family, for my health, that I will step back from this issue at least for the rest of the year. All I will say is, if after all you’ve read you still feel it’s appropriate to jeer at Jews, to place our concerns as an unimportant, low-ranking consideration in a hierarchy of issues, to set us in competition with other minorities and to tell us we are complicit if we don’t hold our noses and vote for Labour, perhaps you’re not the anti-racist you think you are.

 

[craner]

So, uh, having been so moved by that statement, presumably you won’t be selling Labour on the doorstep this week?

 

[DannyL]

Yes, that occurred to me. I've read quite a lot of her tweets (Sarah Gibbs), she's been one of the active voices pushing the "Labour are institutionally AS" case. I think it's hard to argue they are not - so with that in mind, will people still vote for them?

 

[craner]

That, but what I was actually asking is will Tea canvas for them this week, or is he not as anti-racist as he thinks he is?

I will be genuinely interested to hear his answer, not (just) shit-stirring.

 

[Mr. Tea]

So, uh, having been so moved by that statement, presumably you won’t be selling Labour on the doorstep this week?

I realise I've painted myself into a corner here, somewhat.

The way I see it, it's highly unlikely that Labour are actually going to win this election, and I'm helping to re-elect a popular Labour MP. Corbyn can't remain party leader after a second defeat.