luka

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I remember thinking something similar reading Karamazov as a teenager. The quality of intelligence and the judgements being made felt completely contemporary in that you didn't need to make any allowances for it, or patronise it in any way.
 

version

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I've never read a book but I can relate in terms of music. Like Barty can't understand the point of hardcore or enjoy it cos he hears it as primitive jungle, jungle that hasn't self actualised yet. But I dont hear it that way cos I heard it before jungle existed
It's a very limited way of engaging with art. It's forcing everything onto a linear timeline where progression along the line and in things like technique is synonymous with pleasure and improvement. That an artist's later works aren't usually their best also throws a spanner in the works.
 

luka

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Limited Maybe but also I think instinctive. You would have to work to get around it and the attempt will always be somewhat artificial
 

version

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Is it instinctive? It seems weird to me assume someone's next work will be better than the previous. I think of it more like the Poisson distribution thing with the rockets in GR where the previous one doesn't really have any bearing on the following.
 

Clinamenic

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Is it instinctive? It seems weird to me assume someone's next work will be better than the previous. I think of it more like the Poisson distribution thing with the rockets in GR where the previous one doesn't really have any bearing on the following.
One would think that a person is more informed as their life progresses, but to assume that their creative instincts are increasingly honed is something else, no?
 

version

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One would think that a person is more informed as their life progresses, but to assume that their creative instincts are increasingly honed is something else, no?
That and things just happen. You can come up with something inspired then struggle to follow it; someone can generate a masterpiece then never do anything good again.
 

woops

is not like other people
Just what I wrote in the French thread. Me and thirdform are having a sort of pedestrian discussion about why new so called exciting music is actually rubbish and then yoh open a book which is 100 years old and a different language and it's all there anc it's uncanny how close it is
it's because the modernist project basically failed and we're still stuck with the same old tedious realist rubbish
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Interesting that barty thinks that re: jungle vs hardcore cos to me jungle (as much as i love it) was a sort of contraction (intensification/canalisation) of the more endless possibilities of hardcore.
 

version

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Maybe this was always just a niche sort of music but it does make me wonder if there's much 'imaginative' music being made these days. Music inspired by the idea of other worlds.
There's a great Kodwo Eshun quote about that sort of thing where he describes a UR record as "an object from the world it releases,".
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
You'd think there'd be loads of apocalyptic music about what with climate change, etc.

Or escapist music that imagines us moving to other worlds (after all, we're now quite close to actually doing that, right?)

But maybe the imagination itself has shrivelled up in the face of such miserable reality. (Or squeezed/crushed by the omnipresent attention grabbing internet.)

The future is here and has turned out to be drab.
 
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