Revealing the Map

[version]

"Schizo-analysis foregoes all interpretation because it foregoes
discovering an unconscious material: the unconscious does not mean
anything. On the other hand the unconscious constructs machines, which
are machines of desire, whose use and functioning schizoanalysis
discovers in their immanent relationship with social machines. The
unconscious does not speak, it engineers. It is not expressive or
representative, but productive."

 

[WashYourHands]

Something other than the unconscious. Maybe we assume there are these underlying things we aren't aware of simply because the idea's been introduced to is and everything is actually there already.

not if you pay attention to dreams - humans have always been invested in such realms, see divination thread

we intuit/feel its presence

 

[linebaugh]

Something other than the unconscious. Maybe we assume there are these underlying things we aren't aware of simply because the idea's been introduced to is and everything is actually there already.

I guess I meant what would it look like, as there are 'unconscious' processings regardless of whether you buy the traditional Freudian line of a secret inner person pulling all the strings

 

[version]

This is why I brought up distinguishing betwen the unconscious and The Unconscious, i.e. the Freudian conception.

 

[luka]

I guess I meant what would it look like, as there are 'unconscious' processings regardless of whether you buy the traditional Freudian line of a secret inner person pulling all the strings

you mean just the maintinence and running of the machine?

 

[linebaugh]

This is why I brought up distinguishing betwen the unconscious and The Unconscious, i.e. the Freudian conception.

sorry didnt even see that part. you know I dont read anymore

 

[version]

I answered my own question by making that distinction, really. The unconscious being the territory, The Unconscious being a map. The confusion coming from the territory having no name and the name of that particular map being forced on it.

 

[sus]

The unconscious, like the genome, is a map of human history, and the history of the planet

Good regulator - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[linebaugh]

The delueze take on the unconscious your posting Im pretty sure he got from Sartre's transcendance of the ego, which says that the Freudian unconcious is a silly concept and whats really going on is, simply put, a difference between things that are in and out of focus to consciousness.

 

[sus]

I like that. I'm not sure it's right but I like it. It's a viable alternate hypothesis. Very good Liner. Now undelete your followup comment

 

[luka]

The unconscious, like the genome, is a map of human history, and the history of the planet

Good regulator - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

this is certainly possible. this is something Alan Moore is into. i often feel as though there were a kind of Universal Trauma to mirror all the personal Freudian traumas that makes the unconscious unconscious and makes the story so difficult to track back past certain wound-sites

 

[sus]

this is certainly possible. this is something Alan Moore is into. i often feel as though there were a kind of Universal Trauma to mirrir all the personal Freudian traumas that makes the unconscious unconscious and makes the story so difficult to track back past certain wound-sites

As @blissblogger writes of the CCRU worldview
> From the chemistry of metals to the cycles of capitalism, from the non-linear dynamics of the ocean to the fractalised breakbeat rhythms of jungle, the cosmos is an "unfolding traumascape" governed by self-similar patterns and fundamental processes that recur on every scale. Picking up on Deleuze & Guattari's submerged Romanticism, CCRU have developed a full-blown mystic-materialism.

 

[luka]

so for the sake of the metaphor its less a matter of exploring a territory and more getting to know the habits of a rogue secretary in your head that all your experiences revolve around and you observe from a distance. like mapping the night sky with a telescope

 

[sus]

so for the sake of the metaphor its less a matter of exploring a territory and more getting to know the habits of a rogue secretary in your head that all your experiences revolve around and you observe from a distance. like mapping the night sky with a telescope

brilliantly put

 

[version]

this is certainly possible. this is something Alan Moore is into. i often feel as though there were a kind of Universal Trauma to mirrir all the personal Freudian traumas that makes the unconscious unconscious and makes the story so difficult to track back past certain wound-sites

Geotrauma's a fascinating one,

"Fast forward seismology and you hear the earth scream."

 

[luka]

brilliantly put

thanks bro

 

[linebaugh]

I like that. I'm not sure it's right but I like it. It's a viable alternate hypothesis. Very good Liner. Now undelete your followup comment

I didnt like the rogue secretary line as that just sounds like another version of the secret unconscious pulling the strings, but:

so for the sake of the metaphor its less a matter of exploring a territory and more getting to know the habits of a rogue secretary in your head that all your experiences revolve around and you observe from a distance. like mapping the night sky with a telescope

 

[linebaugh]

god dammit

 

[sus]

I didn't quite understand the secretary bit to be fair.

One thing that's been very interesting to me throwing clay on the wheel

I have to stare at my hands and use all my conscious energy to keep them in place

If I slip up, the clay is uncentered, or I ruin something

Just physically keeping my hands in place is something that requires constant eye contact, monitoring where my hands are, and saying to myself over and over "stay, stay stay" like a dog

 

[sus]

I think a lot of becoming good at something is (1) learning to pay attention to things you're not used to paying attention to—where your body is, perceptual saliencies—and then (2) mapping the territory of these things that you pay attention to, learning to distinguish subtle gradations between states, and understanding the ramifications those gradations have. A difference that makes a difference