sus

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ever notice how the sci-fi shows always have some equivalent of the 'uncharted territories'?
 

Clinamenic

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Plus such probing/expansion would seem to be financially incentivized, investment in R&D as an innovation farming, methods to short circuit the business's expense chain, etc.
 

WashYourHands

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ever notice how the good guys always end up dukin it out with the bad guys there like an old west frontier?
That's no coincidence. When you're locked in intense, competitive, anti-inductive games, you always get pushed to the edge of the map. That's where competition pushes you. To the edge of the known. Into the unknown. Into the formal wilderness.

To the edge of a Brooklyn Cultural Mafia, where there is surely a saloon for a show down and a shoot out now a sit down is impossible

(disclaimer not advising anyone enter Brooklyn and start executing people)
 

luka

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Meanwhile, in Berlin, another rave bringing together medieval aesthetics and hardstyle is taking off. Hailed as the city's "first and only medieval fantasy gabber rave," Mordorkore, a collective consisting of Nico Lim (Butters Club House), Dominic Mealy, Simon Villaret (s1m0nc3ll0), Tabitha Swanson and Nat Lall (DJ Fluffie), combines queer nerd culture and LARPing with epic sounds inspired by fantasy and folklore. Partygoers dress as dwarves and fairies, necromancers and mages, jesters and executioners.
 

sus

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Science tries to describe without influencing the subject. Experiments, once set up, must work independently from theories, the map must be causally downstream from the territory. This Must becomes an expectation and creates a blind spot. But only the most well-behaved fields really work this way: Sociology and Psychology that deal with social realities struggle with this, especially. For many areas of interest, the map is carved into the territory by its usage, a herbivore trail both formed by and forming the territory. Language, world views, even our memories are such maps, changing whenever they're used.
 

version

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You could incorporate the cycling selves into this model and posit a map dotted with nodes, each of them trapped in differing terrain.
 

version

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Is the unconscious the map or the territory? Should we be distinguishing between the unconscious and The Unconscious?
 
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luka

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the thing about the unconscious is you dont have any real access to it cos its unconscious. it casues effects and it sends messages but you cant really visit. communicate with it obliquely, but not walk around in it
 
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the thing about the unconscious is you dont have any real access to it cos its unconscious. it casues effects and it sends messages but you cant really visit. communicate with it bloiquely, but not walk around in it
yeah but you can though while walking around in hallucinations it has created. you can't hold a conversation with it but you can see what it's doing. surely the writing process can contain an element of this as well.
 

luka

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i think the writing process contains an element of that that is why i said you can communicate with it obliquely
 

version

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the thing about the unconscious is you dont have any real access to it cos its unconscious. it casues effects and it sends messages but you cant really visit. communicate with it bloiquely, but not walk around in it
Right, but is it real in the first place or was it just invented by Freud and the gang?
 
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luka

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Right, but is it real in the first place or was it just invented by Freud and the gang?
my feeling is that it is real. well, my feeling is that something is real, something that i can intersect with, that messages pass back and forth between, that can disrupt me and also guide me. what do you think?
 

version

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if its not real what else would it be?
Something other than the unconscious. Maybe we assume there are these underlying things we aren't aware of simply because the idea's been introduced to is and everything is actually there already.
 
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sus

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Is the unconscious the map or the territory? Should we be distinguishing between the unconscious and The Unconscious?
Many maps are also territories, and many territories become maps. It's just about levels of remove. The meta-level is always a map of what's below it.

Fields like poetry become increasingly "autonomous" (to use a Bourdieu term) as they turn their own history and technologies and form into the territory which they map—i.e. they become self-reflexive. No longer about the world but about poetry.
 
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