luka

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which is fine, but i would characrterise poetry in the sense znore is using it in, as an expansion of reality and not an alternativre to it
 
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luka

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and this you will feel on a visceral level even, just in terms of how much room there is availble in the head and chest etc. the skull walls not clenching in, crushing, not feeling like a trapped animal...
 

poetix

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I often have, and I know I'm not alone in this, those dreams in which it turns out there are extra rooms in your house, accessible via unusual routes - crawling through the fireplace, climbing out of an attic window - whole spaces opening up which perhaps are no longer yours any more, but might be shared with other inhabitants. A loft space full of bookshelves containing not only all the books I've ever owned, but also all the books my parents owned, including many I'd never seen before, books I'd never heard of by authors I thought I'd read everything by.
 

poetix

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In a very handwavey way, what I took away from Badiou's Being and Event was that even the most total model universe, containing everything that your mathematical language says there can be, can still be extended by making a new cut across it, slicing it a new way. We're not in a game of exhaustible combinatorial possibilities, like the Glass Bead Game. There's always a diagonal.
 

luka

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i think that too. the glass bead game notion comes up a lot in music threads where someone will suggest we have 'reached the end of music. all combinations have been exhausted.' i dont think thats right.
 

woops

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music threads where someone will suggest we have 'reached the end of music. all combinations have been exhausted.' i dont think thats right.
more like something that seems so convincing at times it has to be struggled against
 

luka

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the internal conditions under which i operate were radically changed by poetry. the contract i am bound by was redrawn. the range of affect i encompass was changed. the space i had to move in was expanded. the pressures i was under were lifted. etc etc etc the invisible college
 

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the internal conditions under which i operate were radically changed by poetry. the contract i am bound by was redrawn. the range of affect i encompass was changed. the space i had to move in was expanded. the pressures i was under were lifted. etc etc etc the invisible college can help you too. visit our website at dissensus.com to browse a wide range of packages to suit both your spiritual ambitions and your wallet. while the current global situation presents both opportunities and challenges, our gurus continue to present online enlightenment via participatory zoom lectures. synchronicity handbooks are available at a reasonable rate via amazon.com. don't forget to support our musical partners in Gary, Indiana at autechre.com
 

sus

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isn't basically any number under like, 1000 significant in some way, insofar as you can find sacred texts referencing it, or nice coincidences

is this like Salvador Dali's "paranoiac critical method" where you kinda go off the deepend channeling for truth through falsehood
 

sus

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aren't similarities in aspects of the map almost definitionally arbitrary, whereas similarities between aspects of the territories might actually add up to insight
 

sus

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I wanna like this stuff cuz snoz has good style and aesthetics and is into cool stuff, but, it just feels like the logic's grasping for straws

actually looking for a steelman, not trying to be snarky/petty/smarmy
 

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I wanna like this stuff cuz snoz has good style and aesthetics and is into cool stuff, but, it just feels like the logic's grasping for straws

actually looking for a steelman, not trying to be snarky/petty/smarmy

what grapejuice are you reading thats heavy on numerology?

Reading about the Talmud is interesting on the worth of numerology. The problem with numerology is its a self referential system, a tautology, but the Talmud rather trying to hide that leans into it to whip up literary/creative/linguistic/whatever energy. Its joycean in that sense. If you dont mind a huge block of text heres a primer:

"Hebrew was in fact the very first phonetic alphabet, and all subsequent phonetic alphabets stem from it. Yet though it has been surpassed many times in its efficiency – the Greeks or Phoenicians added vowels, the Latins some letters – even today modern Hebrew in Israel lacks vowels. This absence of vowels gives rise to a comparatively extreme occurrence of ambiguity, much more so than English or any other Latinate language, which in turn makes the act of deciphering written Hebrew quantitatively more difficult and qualitatively different. For instance, try deciphering any simple sentence in English with the vowels removed and you quickly multiply possible meanings for each word which may not be resolved until you look at the whole sentence or even paragraph or consider the context of the text. Not only is decipherment slowed, but the reader must refer to the context more persistently than he or she would in reading a more efficient alphabet. The consequences of this simple inefficiency in Hebrew, as I argue in greater detail elsewhere, is an entire culture of literacy uniquely devoted to disambiguating difficult texts and at the same time uniquely tolerant of ambiguity. One can see how relying on Hebrew as the Talmud does (it is the compilation of dialogues among scholars often in different countries whose only common language was written Hebrew while speaking many different languages) would also induce an obsessive focus on the potential meanings of individual words – paronomasia – and even on the meaning differences contained in individual letters. Over the centuries, reading Hebrew also gave rise to an enormous, even transcendental, sense of playfulness and punning. For the great Midrashists (Talmudists), punning on a word to reveal an association between two meanings was a legitimate source of knowledge, a way of revealing what was a hidden but an intended connection. To complicate the picture, Hebrew letters also stand for numbers (aleph = 1, bet= 2, gimel = 3 and so on, through taf, the final letter of the alphabet = 400). This promoted a parallel tradition called gematria or numerology, in which rabbis look for correspondences between the values of related words and their meanings. Indeed, treating “mere” wordplay and numerology – their apparent coincidences and inessentiality – as legitimate epistemological systems, as essential to finding ou;the truth – is quite alien to the practice of Western reason since the Renaissance, and as much as anything explains the core differentness of Jewish thought. In fact, this essential difference in treating accidents of text as the source of metaphysical truth underscores the problem with explaining Western culture as “Judaeo-Christian.” "
 
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luka

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the blog represents different stages of beleif. it starts out heavily conspiratorial and paranoid and popular entertainment focussed and gets, not saner, but less paranoid and more 'high culture' as time goes on. i like all the stages. they're all real places you can end up in your head.
 

sus

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the blog represents different stages of beleif. it starts out heavily conspiratorial and paranoid and popular entertainment focussed and gets, not saner, but less paranoid and more 'high culture' as time goes on. i like all the stages. they're all real places you can end up in your head.

That's a good endorsement! I am interested to keep reading!
 
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