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Wild Horses


It existed, but it's bigger now and I honestly don't think Labour are easily going to be able to bridge that gap, or get themselves to truly want to for that matter.
 

Corpsey

call me big papa
Could the generational split in the last election be a cause for hope, long-term, or are today's left-liberal students/young professionals simply tomorrow's Tories?

Interesting article I thought (as someone who doesn't keep up with this stuff).

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v42/n04/william-davies/bloody-furious

"Generation Left remains, for the time being, disempowered and defeated. A Conservative government, tirelessly cheered on by a 20th-century newspaper industry, has been voted in by the massed ranks of the over-fifties. The question is whether, despite its recent successes, the Conservative Party is sitting on a ticking demographic time bomb. Culture war tactics may work in the short term, and may shore up support on the margins, but they are essentially defensive. They don’t offer much to a generation whose values are already cosmopolitan, internationalist and liberal, who despise Nigel Farage and what he stands for, regardless of whether or not they went to university. It is plausible that broadening home ownership – unlikely as that may be – could shift this generation’s political preferences to the right on economic issues (that was the hope behind David Cameron’s pitiful ‘help to buy’ scheme), but there is no reason to expect them to become more sympathetic to the views of Priti Patel or the Daily Mail as they get older."
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
what were the figures like in the Thatcher era? Because surely that's the point at which that particular association began to be unpicked, the division of the working class
 
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Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
what were the figures like in the Thatcher era? Because surely that's the point at which that particular association began to be unpicked, the division of the working class
Dunno, but I'm pretty sure last December was the first election in which CD2E's were more likely to vote Tory than ABC1's.
 

john eden

male pale and stale
[Huge generalisation]

Obviously that was badly phrased why is everyone so angry.

By the way you are all wrong.

Yes lefties in the 80s definitely all believed we were in a pre-revolutionary situation.

Political criticisms of Starmer are bad, so please be kind to people who want to vote for him as we are all in this together aren't we?
 

john eden

male pale and stale
what were the figures like in the Thatcher era? Because surely that's the point at which that particular association began to be unpicked, the division of the working class
There have always been working class tories (or at least there have been for as long as working class people have had the vote afaik).

Same as working class republicans in the states.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
There have always been working class tories (or at least there have been for as long as working class people have had the vote afaik).
Nonetheless, we're in uncharted territory with working-class voters being more pro-Tory than middle-class voters, aren't we?
 
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