Hades Presents: MJ vs. Prince

MJ vs. Prince

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luka said:
"A new form of control emerged when shopping malls, VHS videos, charity records and TV commercials became interchangable aspects of the same commodity-media landscape: consensual sentimentality as videodrome. Well, it was new then, all that, but it's very old now, and scarcely visible to us any more now that we have grown habituated to living inside it. It was capitalist realism as entertainment, and we all bought to it, whether we liked it or not:"

I love these kind of massive sweeping claims
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Is that part of the appeal of Adam Curtis for you?
 
sufi

sufi

lala
https://www.theringer.com/music/2020/1/29/21112539/prince-halftime-show-oral-history-super-bowl-xli
Arzate: When they announced Prince, and you see the symbol light up and all of that, the crowd. It’s all dark. The crowd goes nuts. And I’m like, “Are these white people really gonna be into Prince?”

Berry: He comes out on the stage and he has this do-rag wrapped around his head. And I’m like, “Oh, my God! He’s covered up my hair.”

Hayes: You just have to realize that the floor is this slippery tile. It looks dope but when it got wet it was like standing on glass.

McClean: Obviously the stage was really slippery and there was no way for us to control that environment except for putting little grips on the bottom of our shoes. We had planned to do that anyway, because we’re always dancing in knee boots, so we always had those on hand.

Hayes: I worried about Prince because he’s got these heels on, man. And he goes for it, man. You do not want a national TV wipeout.

Mischer: When we hit air I was really worried and concerned. And then after about 45 seconds, I began to say, “This actually looks incredible. This could be a blessing in disguise.” Mist was dripping across the stage, creating this ethereal mood. Drops of water began to create stars on the lenses.
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Arzate: He starts performing and we hear the first few bars. I’m like, “Do we really want to be up here watching this?” I think we need to be down on the floor. And [Kim’s] like, “Oh my God, yes.” We take off from the suite, and then we run. This is the dumbest thing ever. Why did we think we wanted to watch the show from here? We run through this maze. We zip through, I nearly hip-thrust Billy Joel to the ground. And I hear him say, “Oh my God, it’s Prince, I can’t miss Prince.”
"“‘That man was pure magic.’ He was one that could dance underwater and not get wet.” —Kim Berry"

Berry: People ask me, “Was there an umbrella on the stage? How did he not get wet?” I said, “That man was pure magic.” He was one that could dance underwater and not get wet.

Arzate: I look at Prince and I’m like, “Kim, am I hallucinating or is there no rain on him?” You could see a couple of droplets on his shoulder. And we’re looking and she’s like, “It just looks like a fine mist on his face.”

Mischer: We started off with “We Will Rock You.”
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then did all along the watch tower, foo fighters and purple rain
extraordinary
 
pattycakes_

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@sufi, i dunno if anyone posted this after you requested it earlier in the thread. so here it is just in case, the guitar disappears at the end lol.


watching all the other musicians react is magic. especially love petty leaning in machine gun style to egg him on to take it further. then the slow shake of his head as if to say 'far out, man'


and the superbowl vid is lush. damn
 
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Corpsey

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bandz ahoy
is Prince vs MJ a rockist vs poptimist battle?

Prince fans love talking about how he can play the maracas and the tuba.
 
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catalog

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He's just a better all rounder, i don't really understand the rock/pop thing. Prince is more on an even keel, never quite reached the heights of mj, but I'm glad he didn't in a way cos it obviously isn't very good for you. Although I know prince didn't go out very well as well
 
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catalog

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Something I've thought about in the past is that prince gave expression to his deep dark sexual desires, got it all out there, whereas mj never did, or never could, and that's why he was so fucked up.
 
Corpsey

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Well, it's the rockist thing of he wrote his own songs, he was a multi-instrumentalist genius, he expressed his own personality and moods in his music, he did concept albums....

Whereas MJ is a sort of product, an artificial persona (with an artificial nose), didn't let any of the darkness in his private life manifest in his music, wrote songs but isn't known as a songwriter, was known primarily for singing and dancing...
 
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catalog

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Ah right, got you. Yeah I suppose that is what I'm saying. I would never say mj is not authentic tho, but yeah in terms of music instruments, prince played a lot more and so there's more to his sound. But Michaels understanding was also phenomenal, just different. And I prefer prince cos I appreciate the side of things he was better at, especially now as an older person. I think I preferred mj til I was about 11.
 
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Partly. I had actually seen that clip before though. It's more of a cumulative thing, reading the thread over the last couple of weeks or so and listening to more and more of him.
 
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Simon silverdollarcircle

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Given the Psychedelic Turn on dissensus it has to be prince.

Prince's music is full of trippy what the fuck moments even if he didn't take drugs apart from loads of prescription painkillers

mj is pop as tooled as an efficient joy machine but prince is the flotsam and jetsam of one person's subconscious
 
Corpsey

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
What's good and bad about this Vs format is it makes you take a side and you can't help but get slightly rabid about it.

I'm going to start defending him for dangling his baby out of the window soon.

The thread is bending me into Uri gellar.
 
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