MJ vs. Prince


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luka

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sadmanbarty

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Aptly this comes from the gospel of Luke:

There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'

25"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'

27"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'

29"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'

30"'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'

31"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'"
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
You are happy on your purple high horse
lmao @ this whole rant

could do without all the personal attacks - which I made a point to avoid - but also, like, whatever dude

Michael was never the avatar of anything, not now and not then. in that larger sense he was - just like Prince, tbc - a guy that made pop music.

believe what you want, of course
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
"Prince meanwhile is all human emotions expressed simultaneously as a synesthetic explosion of infinitely varied microtonal shades of purple"
I was pretty blazed when I wrote that. I stick by it tho.

hyperbolic purple prose, yes. but it's a way of saying that Prince's expression of human emotion is both narrower and deeper than MJ.

luka is correct that MJ is all primary colors. the artificiality is both oppressive and uncomfortable, in an uncanny valley sense.

as we discussed in another thread (don't remember which), the America of impossibly white and toothy smiles, as Tom Cruise.

which is another reason it's so jarring to see MJ claimed as some kind of universal avatar of humanity, when his art is among other things, so deeply American

whereas Prince is yes, all infinitely varying shades of one color, as all of a person's emotions are shades of that person's being

I do think he had that knack of simultaneously expressing multiple, sometimes opposed emotions as a single whole

as real emotions bleed into one another indistinguishably within a person

whereas primary colors don't mix - if they do, you have a new and different color
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
and obviously Prince has/had some kind of metaphysical connection to purple, the Purple One, endless seas of velvet

as James Brown (and later George Clinton, via Bootsy Collins) had a metaphysical connection to On the One

(Brown obv a massive influence on Prince not just musically but in terms of showmanship, band organization/leadership, etc)

and I'd be very surprised if Prince weren't well aware of purple as traditional color of royalty

it's also very lurid, hyperreal, visually overwhelming
 

mvuent

Void Dweller
lmao @ this whole rant

could do without all the personal attacks - which I made a point to avoid - but also, like, whatever dude

tbh padraig i personally don't think there's a huge difference between repeatedly jumping in to say someone's feelings are "absolute lunacy", "complete insanity" etc. and saying that they're being "a self righteous douche". (not saying i agree in either case.) in my opinion it's easy to see how the former could also come across as a bit of a personal attack, even if it wasn't intended as such.
 

luka

Well-known member
tbh padraig i personally don't think there's a huge difference between repeatedly jumping in to say someone's feelings are "absolute lunacy", "complete insanity" etc. and saying that they're being "a self righteous douche". (not saying i agree in either case.) in my opinion it's easy to see how the former could also come across as a bit of a personal attack, even if it wasn't intended as such.

It's a fair cop
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Btw do you get to pick the colour for the polls or is it just pure destiny that prince's bar is purple?
 

version

Well-known member
Btw do you get to pick the colour for the polls or is it just pure destiny that prince's bar is purple?

Destiny. I worked out a bit later that first choice is red, second is purple, third is yellow. I want to try one with loads of options to see all the colours.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
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Red.

Exciting. Throbbing. Hot.

But also "Dangerous". "Bad". Stop.

Was MJ associated with a colour ala Prince? (No "Black or White" jokes please.)
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
Unfortunately, cos of work/life sometimes I really can't post regularly here for days or weeks at a time

and I think we should just move on

but just to be fully clear: I didn't see any of that as personal

"lunacy" alright, was perhaps hyperbolic, but I do truly find it completely astounding that anyone would claim MJ as an avatar of love, racial harmony, etc

if I ever heard anyone else make that argument, online or IRL, my reaction would be the same

anyway, hopefully that is clear as can be
 

pattycakes_

Well-known member
I took a bit of time out after this thread to reflect and I have come to the conclusion that you are wrong :x:

J/k. It's stupid of me to fight the MJ corner with all things considered. He does still kind of represent those things to me because when I think of him and his music its through the eyes of me as a fan when I was a kid before everything blew up. That's obviously some form of denial but I guess I can live with that. I get the feeling you are quite a bit older so I wouldn't be surprised if he never hooked you anyway. And you seem to have always been a bit underground leaning, so no doubt he would have come across as cheesy. Maybe you already said something along those lines in the thread. Maybe I bought into the we are the world sales pitch a bit too much? I don't know. But anyway I wish I hadn't gotten so heated about it all. Apologies.
 
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