chava

Well-known member
Yeah, the main problem with the way that the UK has dealt with the pandemic is not lockdown or no lockdown, it's that they have never looked as though they knew what they were doing.
From my memory.... first Johnson said it wasn't going to affect us, he said there would be no lockdown and bragged about shaking hands with sufferers, he kept going on telly or whatever saying pubs would stay open and schools would definitely stay open, then they shut pubs but said schools would definitely stay open, then they shut schools, then there was a lockdown, then Johnson almost died, they kept making up lies about PPE and ventilators etc and setting themselves arbitrary targets which they failed to meet and then fudged to look as though they had succeeded, then they demanded Ferguson should be fired for sneaking out, then they refused to fire Cummings for doing much worse, then they kept going on about their track and trace app, now they've abandoned that, they want to re-open and have stopped the scientists who disagree from speaking out. Oh yeahn and they keep saying they've always been guided by the science (among many other lies).
For me it's not any individual policy that I especially disagree with, the main thing is that there has been no consistency, not guiding rule. There is no leadership, no plan, no honesty.
At least Sweden follow a pretty consistent plan, perhaps because the politicians has stepped back and refuses to take any responsibility and leaves it to the technocrats, for better or worse.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Knowing what the fuck you're doing, or even looking as if you do, makes you a faceless technocrat, an arrogant scientist, a rootless cosmopolitan globalist, a liberal Remoaner elite and basically George Soros's bumchum.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Yeah that's a fair point... Sweden picked a plan and stuck to it. Now I agree that a change in information can well change your ideas, but it seems Johnson and co change the "plan" every day depending on what they read in the papers.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Looking like Florida is soon gonna be the US epicentre. It seems that the US is still getting, what, 20k plus new infections per day. Is it past its peak at all there?
 

mixed_biscuits

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Looking like Florida is soon gonna be the US epicentre. It seems that the US is still getting, what, 20k plus new infections per day. Is it past its peak at all there?
The US overall death rate continues to decrease steadily and the number of cases doesn't matter if they aren't serious (the most susceptible are hit hard at the start, creating the initial sharp increase in deaths). The media has 50 states from which to pick a spike - which could just be statistical noise or chance - and whip up a scare story. If the death rate starts increasing then maybe a second wave becomes plausible, but there's no way it's going to match the first even so.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
I'm not totally convinced cos it seems to be pretty much accepted that Florida and a number of other states are deliberately undercounting their deaths. So if Florida is the one that is having the highest rise in cases and is lying most about their deaths I suspect that things are worse than we are being told. Of course one state is gonna be higher than others, it does seem a bit of a coincidence though that it is the one that has been playing politics the most with this, opened early against advice and so on.
Also, there is a lot of room between "not dead" and "not serious" - a survivor with permanent lung damage who has spent weeks in bed would probably not be happy being told they'd not been a serious case.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
And yeah maybe the most susceptible are hit first... but the disease was more prevalent in NY and Cali at first, so the most susceptible being hit first in Florida would presumably come later..
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Another record number of cases in Florida today... it certainly seems to be that even if as a country the US is past its peak, there is at least one area which has not yet reached its own local peak.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
From Vietnam (I believe the largest country with no deaths attributed to C19)
A paper on Vietnam’s success in suppressing Covid-19 using strict quarantining and widespread testing has been penned by experts including Vietnamese officials and staff from Oxford University’s clinical research unit in Ho Chi Minh City.

They list lessons which are applicable to other states, including:

  • Investment in public health infrastructure.
  • Early action, including border closures.
  • Thorough contact tracing.
  • Quarantines based on possible exposure, rather than symptoms only.
  • Clear communication with a consistent narrative.
  • A strong whole-of-society approach engaging multi sectorial stakeholders.
Or in other words, exactly the opposite of what the UK government did.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
And here we go again....
Portugal’s Prime Minister Antonio Costa has said some coronavirus restrictions would be reimposed in the capital Lisbon to help control outbreaks from the pandemic.
Costa said measures to be introduced from Tuesday included a restriction on gatherings of more than 10 people and orders for cafes and shops to close at 8pm in the capital.
“Certain measures will be applied to the capital region,” the premier said a press conference after meeting with mayors of several municipalities.
According to official data compiled by local media, between May 21 and June 21, Portugal recorded 9,221 new cases of COVID-19 with most cases detected in the Lisbon and Tagus Valley regions.
 
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IdleRich

IdleRich
So US more than 35k new cases today. Above MB was arguing that, although the new cases are increasing, they are not serious cases and the mortality rate is decreasing. Seven states saw record numbers of hospitalisations today though - so even if the new (not today's obviously but presumably in the last week or two) cases are not fatal they are still serious. I don't the US improving at this rate... EU is banning US citizens from travelling I understand (or not un-banning them), Trump is holding more fucking rallies, there seems to be no political will to make difficult decisions to actually get it done. And UK is basically the same, 280 died today apparently although they are saying it's an adjusted figure... as they do every time they don't like it.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
We need to get away from the idea that when you catch this bug, either you peg it or you're eventually fine. A huge number of people who've "recovered" have been left with major health problems that are going to affect them for the rest of their lives (lives which may also be considerably shorter than they would otherwise have been).
 

chava

Well-known member
From Vietnam (I believe the largest country with no deaths attributed to C19)

Or in other words, exactly the opposite of what the UK government did.
Also: Hacking the Chinese CDC in early january and knowing that something was up
 
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