Wuhan Killer Sneeze (thanks Tea)
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Mr. Tea
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Right, but my point is that it's unhelpful to concentrate exclusively on the admittedly small risk of dying when there is a far larger risk of other outcomes that you would do very well to avoid.
linebaugh
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re: infrastructural shifts
I don't doubt that the pandemic response will have a ripple effect not unlike the post 9/11 era, but as of now it feels completely blown out of proportion. Proper 'lockdown' lasted a month and was ended with little to no political resistance beyond lip service. Every business where I'm at is now open and the extent of prevention measure is you don't touch people and you wear a mask when you walk into a building, and only when you walk in if the place is social i.e. serves drink and food. Everyone I know is back working full time.
So I am sympathetic to the sentiment that honesty about whether its covid or covid triggering pre existing conditions is important in making sure our responses have been appropriate, but I suspect those bringing up the point gloss over the fact that right now in America you can essentially live your life exactly how it was before the pandemic if you so choose.
I don't doubt that the pandemic response will have a ripple effect not unlike the post 9/11 era, but as of now it feels completely blown out of proportion. Proper 'lockdown' lasted a month and was ended with little to no political resistance beyond lip service. Every business where I'm at is now open and the extent of prevention measure is you don't touch people and you wear a mask when you walk into a building, and only when you walk in if the place is social i.e. serves drink and food. Everyone I know is back working full time.
So I am sympathetic to the sentiment that honesty about whether its covid or covid triggering pre existing conditions is important in making sure our responses have been appropriate, but I suspect those bringing up the point gloss over the fact that right now in America you can essentially live your life exactly how it was before the pandemic if you so choose.
version
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That wasn't what my uncle was asking him about though. I'm also getting the conversation third or fourth hand.
mixed_biscuits
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But what practical measure without horrible collateral damage do you want to happen? It's clear that most of the repressive measures only serve to delay the inevitable.
Mr. Tea
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As I thought I'd made clear by now, I'm not in favour of "repressive measures", I'm in favour of effective measures.
linebaugh
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what do you suspect is killing people?
mixed_biscuits
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Given that the virus is going to knock on everyone's door sooner or later, pending its natural dwindling, the focus should be on strengthening one's immune system and getting governments to copy treatments that work, drawing on international expertise.
mixed_biscuits
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Medical care cancelled, postponed or avoided and the challenges of the huge recent changes to many of their lives.
constant escape
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I think I see your point here, that underneath some of these assertions there is a sort of eagerness to validate claims that governmental actors are distracting us with one hand and reinforcing their bulwarks with the other. This is a little pitfall I fall into from time to time, and I'd imagine there are a good deal of skeptics out there who never manage to climb out of it. That is, the aforementioned eagerness overpowers rational decision making.
edit: to be clear, I'm not saying that any such skepticism isn't rational, just that the passion behind the skepticism can often be blinding.
linebaugh
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And Im not convinced that staying inside is killing people. Obviously the lack of employment is provably what you're hinting at most, but would not the most vulnerable populations like older people have the lowest employment rates to begin with?
mixed_biscuits
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I'm talking about the UK.
linebaugh
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that chart you posted was for the U.S!
mixed_biscuits
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That's right; my assumption is that the situation was roughly the same - lockdown done to temper the curve so that the health systems could cope...with medical providers also reallocating resources to the same end.
linebaugh
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I just think all the energy spent questioning the reality of the virus is wasted. Hundreds of thousands are dying, and it seems a major stretch to say its anything other than covid related. Points otherwise feel wastefully political. I think the big fear we all have is that covid is going to usher in some patriot act style structural change and Im not sure tediously pouring over statistics to make trivial points is the best way to direct that dissident energy
constant escape
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Have any opinions on where to direct the energy instead?
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