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IdleRich

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Yeah it's the mask lobby, mainly the NMA In the US, politicians tremble at the name, if they withdraw their favour you are fucked.
 

Mr. Tea

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@Mr. Tea ...except there are also studies pointing out deleterious effects on medical personnel's health...
And I could post links to a bunch of studies saying the exact opposite, if I could be arsed. Which I can't.

From personal experience I know I can spend an hour wandering around Sainsbury's wearing a mask without developing a headache and needing to go and have a lie down. But I'm not a big strapping alpha chad like you, so maybe that's the difference.
 

mixed_biscuits

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Is it possible that people have done a risk assessment of surgical masks and decided that they are the best option to reduce some risks and eliminate others. Or is it simply the power of Big Mask Manufacturing that forces the naive surgeons to use them.
UK gov refuses to release their risk assessment, which tells you all you need to know...
 
Obviously a lot of this argument is really born out of being stuck in online covid feedback loops but no-one wears a mask for 8 hours straight in any profession without suffering consequences, cloth or not. I know I have gone through this in this thread before but-

FFP3 use- unless you're using a powered respirator- is recommended for less than an hour at a time, max. That's even with a face fit medical test. Powered respirators can go a lot longer but it's not an enjoyable experience from a comfort perspective. You will also see the idea that a disposable ffp3 is the same as a face-fitted reusable filter mask, but that's only at the point of first usage, and protection will downgrade during a day of decent usage with a disposable.

FFP2 use can be longer, as your protection filter is less (10x allegedly, as opposed to 20x for an FFP3), but exertion tests have consistently shown that an FFP2 will result in increased breathing resistance, especially during stress and continual exercise etc. The yanks (and people who regurgitate their points online) will refer to these lads as N95s of course.

The bullshit category of cloth/surgical masks are too variable to talk about properly really as there's no real grading to it, but if you are talking about a genuine FFP1 then you've got a 4x reduction factor? So the idea of exercising with a non-filtered surgical mask on would reduce your coverage, there's no question about it.

If you're in poor shape and walking is a perceived exertion then you will struggle with airflow even in ffp1. Shitty cloth masks less so, perhaps, but it would still be there. The idea that someone would have a "paper" that disproves that idea is ludicrous, though we are now talking about fitness and health here. Most tests are undertaken on healthy specimens

This is where the lanyard situation comes in, there are people who genuinely struggle, but you have to argue the idea of whether you should be out and about at all in this scenario.

You can get into personal semantics about this but masks and their protection factors are real quantifiable science and it has been an active component of construction risk assessments for years.

I would say that anyone with knowledge of respiratory fibres or science wouldn't really need to refer to "new" studies because its just the same old scenarios that have always existed. Proven science! These filter categories exist for a reason, it's nothing new. Go look at HSG53 or something
 

Benny Bunter

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My 6-year-old son has to wear one all day at school and keeps getting told off for letting it slip down under his nose, but none of the masks we've tried stay up and to be honest, now I couldnt give a shit, theres no way I'm gonna tell him off for it, he's six ffs.

Plus when I pick him up after school I look inside his mask and its always full of food stains from the canteen - must be a great breeding ground for bacteria.
Update on this: boy recently got a cold sore on his lip that spread up onto the end of his nose (all cleared up now thankfully) surely because of having to wear a fucking mask all day at school. Food stains and saliva - little children tend to suck on their masks - stuck to the front of your face can can it?

On top of that, he got told off and punished (made to sit on his own) for having his mask down in the CANTEEN.

This is in Spain btw, do kids have to wear them at school in the UK?
 

mixed_biscuits

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This is in Spain btw, do kids have to wear them at school in the UK?

https://assets.publishing.service.g...13/Face_coverings_in_education_April_2021.pdf

In schools and colleges where pupils and students in year 7 and above are educated, we recommend that face coverings should be worn by pupils when moving around the premises, outside of classrooms, such as in corridors and communal areas where social distancing cannot easily be maintained. In addition, we also recommend in those schools and FE providers, that face coverings should be worn by adults and pupils in classrooms or during activities unless social distancing can be maintained.

I think the advice (it's not mandated) is due to change when the UK moves on a 'step'.
 

Mr. Tea

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They would release it if there were no significant harms involved.
They probably know full well that there was a case in 1983 where a woman of 103 who had severe emphysema and only 5% lung capacity put on a mask and was dead a few months later and that if they let that be know, the @mixed_biscuitses of the world would take it as proof positive that MASKS KILL!!!!
 

Mr. Tea

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Update on this: boy recently got a cold sore on his lip that spread up onto the end of his nose (all cleared up now thankfully) surely because of having to wear a fucking mask all day at school. Food stains and saliva - little children tend to suck on their masks - stuck to the front of your face can can it?

On top of that, he got told off and punished (made to sit on his own) for having his mask down in the CANTEEN.

This is in Spain btw, do kids have to wear them at school in the UK?
That's pretty shit and I'm not defending the school policy, but are you sure it was an actual cold sore? They're caused by the herpes simplex virus, which can't be generated just from saliva and food.
 

Benny Bunter

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Sorry, I didn't mean thats how it started but i'd imagine thats how it probably spread from his lip to his nose. Surely having a mask stuck to your face would faciltate that?
 
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