Wuhan Killer Sneeze (thanks Tea)

[mixed_biscuits]

@Slothrop How are you doing with finding an expert quantification of P(long-term adverse effects)? You can bet your bottom dollar the pharma companies have quantified this in their strategy:

“This is a unique situation where we as a company simply cannot take the risk if in ... four years the vaccine is showing side effects,” Ruud Dobber, a member of Astra’s senior executive team, told Reuters.

 

[john eden]

MC Plong-term Adverse Effects
Make you woozy like off-date bottles of Beck's
Expert quantification of my flex
Like big pharma cashing big cheques

 

[Slothrop]

@Slothrop How are you doing with finding an expert quantification of P(long-term adverse effects)?

I'm not wasting my time looking because it's entirely obvious that it'd do nothing to derail your torrent of inane shit if I did.

 

[sufi]

i don't think it takes a cartoon conspiracy to roll out a vaccine that has not been tested for long-term effects, it's simply a calculated risk in a time of pandemic crisis 🤷‍♀️

 

[mixed_biscuits]

You've got a quotation from Astra's very own executive saying exactly what I'm saying... @Slothrop

 

[Mr. Tea]

Any evidence of this?

Well there's the entire global anti-vaxx movement/industry, for starters.

But to pick something entirely at random: https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4962

 

[mixed_biscuits]

i don't think it takes a cartoon conspiracy to roll out a vaccine that has not been tested for long-term effects, it's simply a calculated risk in a time of pandemic crisis 🤷‍♀️

I get that, but when we're ending up vaccinating millions of children despite their being at very, very low personal risk from a disappearing virus that weighing up what Chris Whitty calls one's 'risk ratio' becomes very important on an individual level.

 

[Mr. Tea]

I get that, but when we're ending up vaccinating millions of children despite their being at very, very low personal risk from a disappearing virus that weighing up what Chris Whitty calls one's 'risk ratio' becomes very important on an individual level.

Yet again, a point so incredibly stupid I have to take a moment to weigh up whether you're really that dense or just being deliberately obtuse.

Because, you see, unvaccinated children can still catch and pass on the virus to others. And not all adults can safely take a vaccine, so they're reliant on herd immunity (I mean actual, real, herd immunity, not right-wing bullshit pseudoscience "herd immunity", like the kind you were promising was just around the corner nearly a year ago).

Plus the blindingly obvious fact that children don't stay children for ever, do they? And for as long as this virus has a reservoir somewhere, populations will need to be vaccinated against it to stay safe.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

The WHO says using children as a firebreak is immoral: their safety comes first.

Anyway, the vulnerable are almost all vaccinated now so what's the problem?

 

[sufi]

I get that, but when we're ending up vaccinating millions of children despite their being at very, very low personal risk from a disappearing virus that weighing up what Chris Whitty calls one's 'risk ratio' becomes very important on an individual level.

People's individual desires may be in conflict with what's best for the masses.
It seems tragic and also rididulously misconceived that some countres are vaccinating kids while others havent done their elders yet

 

[mixed_biscuits]

The problem is children don't have much of a say in this and misinformed adults (misinformed as children are clearly not effective transmitters) will end up putting them at unnecessary risk in a bid to improve their own prospects.

 

[Mr. Tea]

I feel like I've entered some sort of previously unknown Dantean circle of Hell, where idiots just make dishonest arguments at you over and over for all eternity.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Anyway, the vulnerable...

If "vulnerable" means "not invulnerable", then it potentially includes literally everyone. Nobody is, per se, immune to this disease. Children have died of it. In small numbers, yes, but where's your concern for these kids when you're wringing your hands over the minuscule number of people who've had (possible, potential) fatal reaction to a vaccine.

 

[Mr. Tea]

You know what you sound like in this thread? You sound like someone who's discovered that there is a well documented case of a driver being killed by a seat belt, and that therefore seat belts are dangerous and should be banned, and anyway, car manufacturers and the companies that make seat belt components are only motivated by profit, and are therefore evil and can't be trusted and probably want us all to die horribly.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

If "vulnerable" means "not invulnerable", then it potentially includes literally everyone. Nobody is, per se, immune to this disease. Children have died of it. In small numbers, yes, but where's your concern for these kids when you're wringing your hands over the minuscule number of people who've had (possible, potential) fatal reaction to a vaccine.

Their IFR is one in hundreds of thousands; playing rugby is a bigger hazard to them

 

[Mr. Tea]

Their IFR is one in hundreds of thousands; playing rugby is a bigger hazard to them

And how does that rate against the risk of serious harm from vaccines?

(No, don't say "look it up": that's one for *you* to answer.)

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Problem is P(long term side effects)is unknown

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

And how does that rate against the risk of serious harm from vaccines?

(No, don't say "look it up": that's one for *you* to answer.)

 

[WashYourHands]

Whereas long Covid is a cunt

Such are the risks of life right now, no-one trusts their government. However, ad infinitum riffs on collective/individual trust, control and/or fear that the Steve Bakers of the thread roll along in rotation, will remaine impervious to rational debate - they are fixed, concretised in “wrong-think” binaries

People wear vests and helmets if bullets are flying, you’d take paracetamol if you felt under the weather, my guess is you’ve hoofed rails off minging toilet cisterns too. All provide different scales of risk

Assuming you can get Covid twice, possibly repeatedly, that weighs as heavily as vaccine risks. These are the choices for now

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

What if long covid turns out to be caused by proliferation of those very same spike proteins millions of people's bodies are busy printing by the trillion right now? Could be. Nobody knows for sure. I've my popcorn ready.

Possible "we had to destroy the village to save it" scenario, like lockdowns.