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luka

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Winter of discontent winter of screaming insanity. The economic impact is really going to make itself felt soon the redundancies are starting in earnest. Good friend of mine just lost his job, another mates pregnant partner etc. Total economic wipeout the end of Civilization all set under grey cloud grotty light perpetual rain stay in your mouldy house bad air can't breathe dying universal credit find a job there aren't any jobs look any way or we will stop payments now die
 

mixed_biscuits

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Between this and all the people being reinfected, I'd say that "herd immunity" is looking a lot like this year's Flat Earth.

But it says that health workers still have the same proportion of antibodies due to repeated exposure...protection through exposure is indeed herd immunity.
 

mixed_biscuits

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Well, NY could have it but not the rest of the country, that kind of thing, doesn't have to be the whole world.

I think the idea is that a large enough subset is immune to slow or prevent viral transmission among the still susceptible.

My workplace has herd immunity afaict: plenty of cases before lockdown; none since summer with many tests taken.

But the article is bringing up an interesting consideration: in environments cleansed of the virus, the immune system may stop producing antibodies against it. One consequence of this would be that slowing the process of gaining herd immunity makes that process more painful, as people may lose their immunity during that longer period (tho' https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/what-...n-why-immunity-is-about-more-than-antibodies/)
 

Mr. Tea

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But it says that health workers still have the same proportion of antibodies due to repeated exposure...protection through exposure is indeed herd immunity.
Health workers have been getting sick left, right and centre. One of @WashYourHands's friends who was working in ICU is now in ICU himself.

You have a very funny idea of what the word "immunity" means.
 

luka

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Why do these scary viruses and things go away usually? What's the normal procedure or does no one know?
 

luka

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Obviously stuff like flu just floats around and thins the herd perpetually but what about the ones which flare up create a media panic then disappear
 

Mr. Tea

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Why do these scary viruses and things go away usually? What's the normal procedure or does no one know?
Many of them periodically tore through the population for hundreds of years until we did something about it, such as inventing vaccines and antibiotics or not drinking water contaminated with our own shit.
 

mixed_biscuits

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Many of them periodically tore through the population for hundreds of years until we did something about it, such as inventing vaccines and antibiotics or not drinking water contaminated with our own shit.

@Mr. Tea thinks the human race came into being with the Enlightenment.

We're quite resilient to pathogens thanks to millenia of evolutionary selection.

In the same way that we're selecting for nastier bacteria by current sanitisation practice.
 

Mr. Tea

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@Mr. Tea thinks the human race came into being with the Enlightenment.

We're quite resilient to pathogens thanks to millenia of evolutionary selection.

In the same way that we're selecting for nastier bacteria by current sanitisation practice.
1/3 of Europe wasn't "quite resistant" to the black death, was it?
 

Mr. Tea

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I mean, please tell me you're not seriously suggesting that infectious diseases weren't a major cause of mortality before modern sanitation, hygiene and medicine?
 

luka

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I mean, please tell me you're not seriously suggesting that infectious diseases weren't a major cause of mortality before modern sanitation, hygiene and medicine?

No he's saying infectious disease was an efficient laudable selection pressure creating superior genetic stock and this racial robustness is being undermined by modern sanitation hygiene medicine.
 

luka

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It's an anAalogue to ideas such as democracy creates a debased human animal lacking all nobility and higher virtues
 

IdleRich

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No he's saying infectious disease was an efficient laudable selection pressure creating superior genetic stock and this racial robustness is being undermined by modern sanitation hygiene medicine.
But do we have to wait for disease or can we just find a method of selecting the weak and killing them off? What if covid hadn't come along?
 

luka

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These are powerful and persistent ideas the left expressing them by locating consumer capitalism as the source of moral and spiritual decay
 
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