luka

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is it online? can we post it and all puzzle over it? i love a group activity
 

catalog

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all i remember from it is that he kept going on about hamlet was a stand in for shakespeares dead son, which i thought was totally impossible, but then i found out later, weeks afte ri read it, that shakespeare did indeed have a son who died. basically what. i took from it is that i need to rad shakespeare, which i might actually do now that ive nearly finished bleak house. everyone should read ulysses it's like doing pull ups for 40 days straight then you try run round a track and its a piece of piss
 

luka

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forgot how much i hate Joyce. it's like reading an episode of the magic roundabout.
 

catalog

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that particular section i remember being very very dense. i took photos of all the pages where i made notes the other day and there's a big gap, i suspect it's that section. i think the first two sections and the last three are the best sections. the second to last section is the best of the lot, i loved that. the very last bit is very pornographic so you sort of get a bit disinterested after a while. bit corny in comparison to the bit before, where he does all the questions. thats really really good.
 

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i was actually surprised at how un-twee it was. that was what i expected. but i think once you've read a few hundred pages, you get into his language and style. so that by the end, it's like it's your mum talking to you
 

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all i remember from it is that he kept going on about hamlet was a stand in for shakespeares dead son, which i thought was totally impossible, but then i found out later, weeks afte ri read it, that shakespeare did indeed have a son who died. basically what. i took from it is that i need to rad shakespeare, which i might actually do now that ive nearly finished bleak house. everyone should read ulysses it's like doing pull ups for 40 days straight then you try run round a track and its a piece of piss
Yeah, Shakespeare's son was called Hamnet. He also talks about sons in general being ghosts of their fathers.
 

luka

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loads of stuff about Ham and Bacon (who wrote the shakespeare plays)
 

catalog

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I was gonna reread it, cos when I finished and read the odd review, they all mentioned the Joyce grapple with Shakespeare. I felt embarrassed that I didn't, at 40 years of age, know any Shakespeare.
 

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-- As we, or mother Dana, weave and unweave our bodies, Stephen said, from day to day, their molecules shuttled to and fro, so does the artist weave and unweave his image. And as the mole on my right breast is where it was when I was born, though all my body has been woven of new stuff time after time, so through the ghost of the unquiet father the image of the unliving son looks forth. In the intense instant of imagination, when the mind, Shelley says, is a fading coal, that which I was is that which I am and that which in possibility I may come to be. So in the future, the sister of the past, I may see myself as I sit here now but by reflection from that which then I shall be.
 

catalog

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Don't think longJoycequotes quite fit the tempo of dissensus tonight but that does sound pretty tasty.
 

luka

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Don't think longJoycequotes quite fit the tempo of dissensus tonight but that does sound pretty tasty.
sometimes it can be good to hit a roadblock like that and have it force you to slow down. knock some of the glibness out of us.
 

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Corpsey probably likes this bit,

-- I have conceived a play for the mummers, he said solemnly.

The pillared Moorish hall, shadows entwined. Gone the nine men's morrice with caps of indices.

In sweetly varying voices Buck Mulligan read his tablet:

Everyman His own Wife
or
A Honeymoon in the Hand
(a national immorality in three orgasms)
by
Ballocky Mulligan

He turned a happy patch's smirk to Stephen, saying:

-- The disguise, I fear, is thin. But listen.

He read, marcato:

-- Characters:

TOBY TOSTOFF (a ruined Pole)
CRAB (a bushranger)
MEDICAL DICK
and (two birds with one stone)
MEDICAL DAVY
MOTHER GROGAN (a watercarrier)
FRESH NELLY
and
ROSALIE (the coalquay whore)
 

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This bit's pretty mad,

Yogibogeybox in Dawson chambers. Isis Unveiled. Their Pali book we tried to pawn. Crosslegged under an umbrel umbershoot he thrones an Aztec logos, functioning on astral levels, their oversoul, mahamahatma. The faithful hermetists await the light, ripe for chelaship, ringroundabout him. Louis H. Victory. T. Caulfield Irwin. Lotus ladies tend them i'the eyes, their pineal glands aglow. Filled with his god he thrones, Buddh under plantain. Gulfer of souls, engulfer. Hesouls, shesouls, shoals of souls. Engulfed with wailing creecries, whirled, whirling, they bewail.
 

catalog

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Can't say I remember that and I feel like I should've, it's like you're reading an entirely different book
 

luka

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This bit's pretty mad,

Yogibogeybox in Dawson chambers. Isis Unveiled. Their Pali book we tried to pawn. Crosslegged under an umbrel umbershoot he thrones an Aztec logos, functioning on astral levels, their oversoul, mahamahatma. The faithful hermetists await the light, ripe for chelaship, ringroundabout him. Louis H. Victory. T. Caulfield Irwin. Lotus ladies tend them i'the eyes, their pineal glands aglow. Filled with his god he thrones, Buddh under plantain. Gulfer of souls, engulfer. Hesouls, shesouls, shoals of souls. Engulfed with wailing creecries, whirled, whirling, they bewail.
theosophists
 
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