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Yeah, and that is pretty far removed from where my momentum is moving - so you're right, it would just take a more concerted effort to get there.

Ideally, I think one should be able to enter that state of immediate, unbound-by-agenda experience at a moments notice, rather than it requiring a process of any kind. It should always be an option in the background, and all foreground energy flows should be deactivatable instantaneously.
 

constant escape

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"Acausal intention" is a term I just came across, originally from one Jean Gebser (the topic of a recent Rune Soup episode).

This term, to me at least, taps nearly into the ground zero, in terms of articulating the inarticulable, or articulating that-which-is-tarnished-by-articulation.

Can you intend without intending to cause something? Can you be without trying to be something more/else?

Trying to attain an optimal state would be intending to cause that state, or cause the transformation into that state. But we can't just reject that in the interest of another tactic, because another tactic would just be intending to cause different things.
 

luka

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We can't will what we want in that straightforward sense, in my experience. We learn the rules over many years and trial and error and inadvertent results keep happening. It's confusing because the conditions we operate in are in a state of constant flux
 

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Would you say its largely a matter of fine-tuning your receptors, which energies are more favored within your system?

And I agree about the circumstantial nature of it, and how every action serves to introduce a virtually unquantifiable shift in circumstances - but in terms to adjusting or optimizing basic response protocols (what to do under x circumstances, how much slack/reign should I grant pathos under x circumstances), I believe it can all be effectively accomplished.
 

luka

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Again in my experience peak capacity cannot be maintained forever. What you can do depends on a whole host of fActors and even the very notion of peak capacity is probably unhelpful. A quantitive measure when really it's about variation and difference. What does today let me do. How is it different from yesterday
 

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How much do you believe in the oscillating nature of it all, the enduring-the-shadow-phase-rather-than-renouncing-it in the interest of securing the eventual light phase?

It could be something where, the more you believe in it, the more effective it becomes.
 

luka

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I believe in it to the extent that I haven't been able to do a thing about it! Imposed inflicted made unavoidable.
 

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Oh no, I mean the oscillation itself, not just the good parts.

edit: But you're right about lying. Lying is the decaying, here.
 

luka

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You can affirm the oscillation but it's impossible,e not to place a value on the different states. Some feel better work better
 

constant escape

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I'm not disagreeing with that - I'm just saying that, whichever states are valued over over others, one has to endure the unfavored states in order to maximally enjoy the favored states, rather than attempt to pursue the favored states, which would only protract or empower the unfavored states.

At least, that would be an argument for that kind of oscillation being cosmically immutable. Or perhaps the mutation of such waves would be the Mission, the one which is achieved through trial and error, through attempting to change the unchangeable.

On a scale higher than the individual human psyche, it could take the form of determining a central value system, and then gradually consolidating the bad into ever more potent spaces, and spreading out the good.

There would be a zero-sum nature to such a belief system, that the maximum capacity of the favorable can be expanded, so long as that of the unfavorable is also expanded. But so long as we managed to flush the shit out of sight, it will appear, if even to some privileged few, that the cosmos becomes more and more favorable.
 

constant escape

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Fascism would arguably be the facile approach to this, metaphysically. There could very well be a more masterfully orchestrated and egalitarian approach.
 

constant escape

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I think theres something within the schizo playbook, a many headed hail mary, that could be the next step. It could subsume science, if my thin understanding of Godel is correct: the only complete system is an inconsistent one. One, in this case, that would involve a holistic overlapping/superposition of all possible value systems, in an attempt to glimpse the higher order "shape" it takes.

It might not be transcending subjectivity, but rather stepping to the next order of subjectivity, taking on higher order battles and adversities. But a proper crucible needs to be forged for the forging. How does one forge a container to withstand beyond the current maximum of energy withstandable by crucibles?

If much of our collective world-historic development has revolved around coming into contact with the void, this would entail colonizing the void.
 
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