Tricky vs. Goldie


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droid

Beast of Burden
The black version of timeless is amazing, dont think its ever been surpassed.

Timeless (Inner City Life, Jah, Pressure)
Saint Angel
State Of Mind
This Is A Bad
Sea Of Tears
Jah The Seventh Seal
A Sense Of Rage (Sensual V.I.P. Mix)
Still Life
Angel
Adrift
Kemistry
You & Me

Strip ott State of Mind (garbage), you and me and Sea of tears (mostly awful with some redeeming features) and adrift (just weird) and you have 9 outrageously brilliant tunes. Totally unique and years ahead of its time.
 

Corpsey

call me big papa
It's funny how jungle for me was something I was getting little peeks at as a kid - General Levy "Incredible" was probably the first. "Let me be your fantasy". "Original Nuttah" maybe. Then later on "Inner City Life", "Brown Paper Bag" - the more tasteful stuff that seemed like the coolest shit in the world to me at that time.
 

Trillhouse

Well-known member
Tricky always came off to me as one of those crossover artists that appeal to people who were in a punk band in their teenage years, like his generation's Linton Kwesi Johnson. I can understand his qualities but I've never really got the appeal.
 

droid

Beast of Burden
Its an amalgamation. The sound design is an element, the conceptual aspect, the singular aesthetic... the myriad impulses of hardcore funneled through one man's vision of futurity and then realised by some of the most talented producers on the planet. Its a deeply strange record, like an alien artifact, an impossibly black fractal object that oozes organic tendrils. Ahead of its time isnt quite right though - more out of time.

I think If Gerald had the same resources and access to personnel he may have matched it in terms of scope and vision.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
The sound design is an element

This is the only part of the argument I buy, to be honest, and that is largely because I don't understand the nuts and bolts of it.

I mean, when I listen to 'Jah - the Seventh Seal' I can hear exactly what you are describing (and I attribute that to the sonic stamp of Dillinja). If the rest of the LP sounded like that, I would agree with you. But it doesn't.

It does sound like it is technically intricate, apart from the moments it sounds inept (like you say: 'State of Mind', 'Adrift', 'You & Me'). 'Kemistry' and 'Angel' sound ahead of their time, because when they were actually made they pretty much were, and we all knew them anyway, and remembered that. The rest of it sounds like a very sophisticated technical performance but aesthetically grandiose, kitsch or simply stillborn. Which makes me think it is a producers record, the true brilliance of which can only really be understood in technical terms.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
The sound design is an element, the conceptual aspect, the singular aesthetic... the myriad impulses of hardcore funneled through one man's vision of futurity and then realised by some of the most talented producers on the planet. Its a deeply strange record, like an alien artifact, an impossibly black fractal object that oozes organic tendrils. Ahead of its time isnt quite right though - more out of time.

The jungle LP I actually hear in this description is Parallel Universe. (It's a good description, by the way.)
 

droid

Beast of Burden
PU is too rooted in harcore I think. Meanwhile 4 Hero's musk is sprayed all over Timeless.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
I've been going back to it quite a lot in the last year, and I think it sounds better as time passes. It doesn't sound as monolithic and layered as Timeless, but it sounds more agile, sinuous and poetic.

Timeless sounds over baked, Parallel Universe is moist.
 

Trillhouse

Well-known member
trip hop is like the UK's anticon and that's not an endorsement of anticon...

I don't think that's true, the beast that Trip Hop became is not really a reflection on where it originated, plus there's too little rapping in Trip Hop.

Acts like Massive Attack come from the lineage of UK Street Soul, UK lovers rock, soul weekenders, raves & rare groove parties; in much the same vein as Soul II Soul. They are not simply UK Hip Hop lite. Most of the Bristol Hip Hop people that came along a generation after hated the Trip Hop tag their city had because they felt they were closer to the 'real thing', when in fact were much closer to a UK Anticon.
 
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droid

Beast of Burden
I've been going back to it quite a lot in the last year, and I think it sounds better as time passes. It doesn't sound as monolithic and layered as Timeless, but it sounds more agile, sinuous and poetic.

Timeless sounds over baked, Parallel Universe is moist.

Hmmm... good argument. Id consider timeless as being the next step on the evolutionary chain. 4 hero really should've gotten dual credit TBH.
 

thirdform

Well-known member
It's funny how jungle for me was something I was getting little peeks at as a kid - General Levy "Incredible" was probably the first. "Let me be your fantasy". "Original Nuttah" maybe. Then later on "Inner City Life", "Brown Paper Bag" - the more tasteful stuff that seemed like the coolest shit in the world to me at that time.

let me be your fantasy is more proto-happy hardcore if anything.
 
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