Brooklyn Drill

Benny Bunter

Benny Bunter

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Got some beers in so I'm gonna listen till I get bored
linebaugh said:
feels like brooklyn drill has always been searching for the 'right way' to rap on these beats and havent really found it yet.
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This seems right to me, even though this lot are better than the first wave. Most of em very rarely manage to stay on beat for long. They're getting better though.

First three songs on Corpsey's playlist are all brilliant.

NJ Club influence showing up which I really like but I can only take it in small doses, along with the shouty voices it gets tiring quick.
 
Benny Bunter

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Like the East coast Club kick drums in this, switches up the standard drill beat nicely


There's another one I like with a clubby cowbell pattern that I like as well from this thread, which one's that?
 
Benny Bunter

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As well as east coast club, it sort of reminds of me when crunk first came around, I really liked it but just in small doses mainly cos of the shoutiness
 
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CrowleyHead

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It's funny hearing about how These Voices And Flows are Bad from first generation grime fans tbh. Not even being catty there.

I can't prove any of this because I don't like following BX/BK drill too much, mostly because the experience of contemporary music digging is more anxiety inducing than I want it to be. BUT: there's been multiple energies coalescing where it's people out of Philly and NJ messing about with making an aggro sort of hybrid of Drill and Jersey Club for the last few years, and that thread has blended with a lot of the drill experiments in NYC among similarly young rappers.

In addition to that, these rappers since they're focused on riding this more 'club' type rap are trying to make their voices more distinct; usually by adopting gravelly tones as (I presume) a post Pop Smoke sort of thing. Ironically that reminds me a lot of what obviously played into why that generation of grime MCs were working so hard at distinctive voices: The power of penetrating the different background noise. For grime it was piercing through radio static whereas for this it's about pushing through bass weight. What's even more interesting to me is that this has resulted in a massive outbreak of women drill rappers who at least SOUND very unfeminine.





 
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CrowleyHead

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In many ways this Fivio Foreign single accidentally points at to where the genre is going just because very obviously a lot of the NYC rappers are stuck in very post-Migos rap patterns but additionally Fivio just incidentally invoking DJ Assault's "Ass & Titties" is just the briefest flitter of dance music stuff popping into NYC rap for the first time in fucking DECADES it feels. Absurdly insignificant as it really is.
 
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CrowleyHead

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Anyway "off beat" is a silly thing to say, rappers don't have to be 'on beat'. I can't believe guys who listened to NASTY Crew think people have to be on beat.
 
Benny Bunter

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The UK influence on East coast club music goes back a long way come to think of it - Baltimore club was in love with SUAD and early hardcore, T2's baseline anthem Heartbreaker was massive in NJ Club (and here again in New York drill) even Philly club has that mentalist hardcore sound that you could probably trace back to UK or Europe at least.
 
Benny Bunter

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Anyway, I agree it's definitely the club influence that sticks out most for me in this new wave, what's marking it out as different from what came before.
 
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CrowleyHead

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This is extremely hard to prove in a concrete way and when you tell this to Americans like... Me personally, I get where people are coming from if they have this Dance background approach because I studied how this realm interprets things parallel to how rap audiences interpret things. But I find that leads to a sort of presumption of role that gets under Americans skin because honestly only an EXTREME minority of us listen to UK Music like that. With Drill I think any crossovers have typically been simply due to the fact that like... the genre tag has been hijacked so many times over that if you're looking for 'drill music' as a thread it bounces into very differing definitions.

THEN AGAIN, I literally hear Kyle Richh on that one song refer to someone as 'neeky' and I NEVER heard that from anyone in the US before so I can't prove it isn't true unless someone is able to go ask every MC and they give honest answers about whether or not they listen to UK shit like that or if they're just getting the same 'type beats' off Youtube.
 
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CrowleyHead

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This music is impossible to debate in public of course because then it becomes issues of 'debt', 'influence', 'ownership' and it becomes a fucking shitshow. I've had enough fights with fellow Americans because I put on for UK Drill that I'd rather jump off a building than try to speak on those ideas because it's more close minded than I think it needs to be because they Don't use that sort of logic to perpetuate this field of the genre, they look at it as a Regional Rap Scene that gets 'stolen'. The closest thing I can draw to a parallel for the UK is the way certain Garage/grime people like to make faces and sneer when describing the notion that people actually enjoyed bassline.
 
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CrowleyHead

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Oh, the one song I posted earlier "Juliet". And "Neeky" is just a negative adjective I used to hear in grime sets (maybe it's actually from Jamaica first so hey)
 
Corpsey

Corpsey

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Like I said earlier, I get where the complaints about sloppy flows come from, that's what I thought at first too, and probably it's true for some of them, but I also think there's something intrinsic to the style which fits with that sort of frantic, almost-haywire rapping. Maybe it would sound good if someone who was totally metronomically perfect rapped over these beats but I think a distinct lack of polish is what makes this music quite exciting. (This is a weird thing to invoke maybe but it makes me think of certain members of / songs by Wu Tang)
 
Corpsey

Corpsey

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Not sure if this is just online bullshit but I think "neek" combines nerd and geek for the ultimate dork slam
 
luka

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my ears pricked up when i heard the neeky thing too but then i heard another american use it as a synonym for freaky so now i dont know any more
 
Corpsey

Corpsey

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New Sha Ek video


140,000 views within a day too 👀

Incidentally, for some reason this variety of cornycomment is underneath a lot of these videos

Provoke
13 hours ago
Mr. Jiggy Man I don't know where to start in expressing how grateful I am for your new song or how I feel right now. The entire reason I watch you, Sir EK, is because of the unexplainable sentiments you make me experience when my ear lobes come into contact with the sound waves of your music. The nuclear fusion required to create the most powerful brilliant celestial explosion, known as a supernova, is absolutely enormous, yet to you, mister Jiggington, it is just one of many explosions you create every time you release a song.
 
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