Benny Bunter

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Some really chilling stuff in here, especially Marzipan.

Her corpse hangs, burned to ashes ..

Ten thousand families in the mountains, starved/ on mountain grass: and made me eat/both gravel, dirt and mud, and last/of all, to gnaw my flesh and blood
 

luka

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you can imagine the eighties being a real kick in the balls for anyone who allowed themselves to hope through the sixites and into the seventies. people like craner triumphant and crowing, wearing pinstripe suits, Born in the USA blaring on their BMW in car stereo
 

Benny Bunter

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The 90/noughties didn't seem to be much better than the 80s from Prynne's point of view it seems. It really is a very long stretch of pretty bleak stuff on the whole.
 

craner

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you can imagine the eighties being a real kick in the balls for anyone who allowed themselves to hope through the sixites and into the seventies. people like craner triumphant and crowing, wearing pinstripe suits, Born in the USA blaring on their BMW in car stereo

 

william_kent

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my neighbours seem to collect my missing post ( flat *6 : I know you've got my Yin Jong book! and what about my Leroy Smart 12 inch and 1987 stagger lee style digital killer 7s"?!!! - Just leave them outside my fucking front door, why don't you? fucking tossers... ), but my copy of "Snooty Tipoffs" obviously got delivered to the wrong address, as a ripped & torn opened parcel was deposited through my letterbox at 6 PM the other night, well past "royal" mail delivery time, and I can't help thinking the thieving bastards must of thought "wtf? I'm not stealing that shit, he can have this nonsense!")

but hiding amongst the numerous "doesn't rhyme, doesn't scan " Zappa and "just one cornetto" pastiches, there lurks perhaps the most radical & minimal poetry I have ever encountered

(i: 56 ) ( page 64 )


1 word, 4 letters, one period.

such economy of expression: an internal rhyme, sustenance, liquid, food for thought, the source of growth for mammals..

genius

edit: oh, and "colonial studies".... one word, a history of oppression, nurture, and dependence packed in to four letters, finalised with a full stop.. life / death.. did I say 'genius"?
 
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Benny Bunter

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Anyone know when is all this post-yellow book stuff is gonna get collected? I hope snotty tip offs will be in there, I'm really intrigued by it but can't shell out the 30 quid right now.
 

william_kent

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Anyone know when is all this post-yellow book stuff is gonna get collected? I hope snotty tip offs will be in there, I'm really intrigued by it but can't shell out the 30 quid right now.

all the post-yellow stuff is horrendously overpriced, like you're paying a pound per letter

I can understand that running a small press can be a labour of love, but still...
 

william_kent

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conflicted: amazing? or Monty Python?

the more I ruminate on those four letters and the termination, the more I wonder... about the British Empire and the role of the west indian tea company, opium wars, the Boston Tea Party, revolution, Sarah Palin, the role hydration plays, the need to eat,..

or... is this some never worked in the real world smirk at a naughty word?
 

william_kent

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not as far as i know. finlay hamilton or hamilton finlay said you needed a minimum of two wordsTeat

Teat.

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one word, four letters, one period.

radical

maybe breaking new ground

maybe deep

and to think its buried in a bunch of doesn't scan pastiche of TV advert jingles

"reimagining" poetry
 

william_kent

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what I may be missing out is that the previous poem to (i: 56 ) ( page 64 ) in "Snooty Tipoffs' is:

(i: 55 ) ( page 63 )

Lamb chop, tame crop,
fuel moon, very soon,
originate profligate,
coruscate, pleat.

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where the last word rhymes with;

Teat.

which is the one word "poem" that follows...

Prynne, the architect, has a bigger picture that he is drawing?

rhymes, scansion, maybe one page ahead, maybe ten, maybe 62 previous

do we have to remember every syllable for every 50 to 60 page ahead or behind?

I'm failing to get the big picture, I don't have a brain the size of a planet
 
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luka

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Sam WM

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It is tempting to read many of the poems in _Or Scissel_ and perhaps other recent collections also as concerning the actual process of reading, often via figures of progress, motion and discovery (which we have already touched on in some discussions here). Thoughts?

Vytenis Galvėnas
Sam WM the first time the poems from 'OS' started to have any semblance of sense for me is when I started looking at them as ars poetica. That they're saying what they're doing, writing about writing - quite empty when you're not up for another one of /those/. But I suppose seeing it as writing about reading works as well - where writing itself is seen as reading of the world-text, that old song of the 'logos' etymology, gathering-into-being and setting apart, counting and recounting, etc. Where it does become more meaningful to me is when the poems reach towards these processes as an ethical practice as well - and I've found that 'OS' and 'OBS' both have quite a lot of that, reading others' brows and faces and whatnot. Some stuff here and there where you can read ambiguities in a 'nice' way and a 'mean' one. So you're reading yourself there, fella! And something about all this does make me think of 'The White Stones' more often than not.


Vytenis Galvėnas
e.g. 'in glow/ of like seclusion', with their own 'vested motions' (interests). Hashing it out if it's right to submit or not, coming to the conclusion that it's both (as is usual).





Vytenis Galvėnas
LOVE the phrase 'give/ or be given' (not 'kill or be killed' to spell it out) - again encapsulates what attracts my eye and what I'm on about


Vytenis Galvėnas
'both above each other' - I managed to squeeze out a beautiful image quite like this from one the poems in 'OBS', of raising each other up like sails (on this dauncing boat) - see 'uplift' in this one. Which is of course super cheesy when I put it this…
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Vytenis Galvėnas
It’s a productive perspective though, to take the text as a guide for reading. May I bring your attention to ‘*near* / measurement’ (i.e. with margin of error) and ‘matching settlement’ (both outlook adequate to site and settling in/on a reading). Maybe treat it like a problem of measurement in science, like with some uber physics thrown in there for good, er, measure - like trying to measure the speed of light, with all the famous and to-be-known time-bendy stuff. Woo! The old noggin’s spinnin’! And what’s the ‘concession’: from one’s local idiom to what the text (or vision) is ‘actually’ saying? - or to one’s search for an adequate measure of the text, settling on a partial read? But a-keepin’ on a-rollin’ baby, adjust the gauges, the data’s off and the stone is *glaringly* unmatched - reduce the noise and try again all-over, controls for the heart of the sun.





Sam WM
Author
My other related thought is that these poems are the ‘scissel’ of the ‘or’ of his previous work. Two callbacks that caught my eye this reading were ‘sweet vernal’ (‘sweet vernal abscission’ in _Her Weasels Wild Returning_) and ‘cured bacon’ (‘bring home the flash-cured bacon’ in _Down where changed_). Prynne has a word document that he searches for his own previous uses of words. And his annotations to _Al-Dente_ point out that the title words appear in _Down where changed_.




Dafydd Sndn
Sam WM I like this — it pulls us right back to /The White Stones/, and the idea of language as glacial and geological accumulation, building sedimented meaning through deposit. I’m always struck by Prynne’s capacity to leave individual words open to a dialectical relationship with the competing etymologies buried in them, but also open to future usages of that word — how it might be redeployed as the world system coins new technologies and processes. If Prynne is forging these linguistic and etymological echoes across his own body of work it seems to encourage a similar longitudinal or morphological study of how the valences of that language might have changed.
 
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