luka

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its the conveyor belt which transports you from one life-theatre to the next, an in-between experiences, i suppose
 

woops

is not like other people
In any street the pattern
of inheritance is laid down
Even though I've spent about 20 years wandering round central London I only realised properly recently that almost every street in the West End is named after a posh person and ancestral estates from Regent Street to Oxford Street to Great Portland Street to Northumberland Avenue to take your pick
 

woops

is not like other people
The way is of course speech
and a tectonic emplacement, as gradient it
moves easily, like a void
Joking apart this seems to me like the key line - before and after is MORE OR LESS comprehensible on a couple of readings, though the sequences will still need a bit of thinking about them.
 

luka

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Even though I've spent about 20 years wandering round central London I only realised properly recently that almost every street in the West End is named after a posh person and ancestral estates from Regent Street to Oxford Street to Great Portland Street to Northumberland Avenue to take your pick
the street plan of winchester is more or less as Alfred the Great left it
 

woops

is not like other people
well, i shouldn't like to expound any particular passage. i think i'd just walk out!

in the first half he describes a street, the self-contained houses, the steam of the industrial revolution that built them, the wanderers along them and their self-contained nobility ps i wrote that without rereading the poem so there might be more but i think it's all there and lucid enough
 

luka

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in my head i keep hearing 'the void is a street in the sequence of man' sun by paul weller to the tune of thats entertainment
 

luka

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Malcolm Phillips
The sequence might be from nomadism through various forms of settlement - disrupted by pilgrimage, restless wandering, etc (Frost and Snow, Falling has more on this: the Papal emissaries en route to Mongolia, Gregory's opposition of direction of the spirit to false pilgrimage of place, the grotesque, weird remark about the "illiterate scrounger" who is our only rival) - to some future that is barely articulated here and there, spatially, as a state we have to yank ourselves into somehow that can become the holy city, barely understood as a city at all. The street is a void because we're stuck in it, arrested mid-sequence: hence the strange contradictions at the close, a distant resort keeping a man more or less in his place. Ages since I looked at that book though.


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Bobby Bisto
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wow! your my hero! thats so good!


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tell me more about the "illiterate scrounger" if you can


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so the street is our 'condition'? its not the actual street? the wet asphalt, the trudging? its where we are?


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Bobby Bisto
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for the sake of conversation and honesty i will let you into how thick i am i was thinking of a)the conveyor belt which transports you from one life-theatre to the next, an in-between experiences and b) void in that it is literally an emptiness that by being free of impediment offers frictionless transitbeing free of impediment offers frictionless transit


Bobby Bisto
i was thinking, inadequately, of sequence of man, on an individual level, moving from theatre to theatre, acting, in those discrete locations, under their own contingent rules, and the street joining them together


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woops

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love cross-posting from facebook i get to everything twice or maybe three times if i'm lucky and you e-mail it to me as well.
 

linebaugh

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I read 'a night square' recently and I enjoyed it, though Im not sure if I enjoyed because I enjoyed it or because I was excited that I approached understanding it. Reading Cinema 2 by Deleuze as well right now and running into the same quandary.
 
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