woops

is not like other people
bah you sound like my mate who said english poetry started with chaucer and came to an end with eliot. that's missing out on dorn, olson, creeley, prynne frank o'hara etc plus loads more.
is the truth
"abstruse word games for tiny print runs" is just a snob take i'll ignore that.
could have been and probably was said about loads of your favourites too.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
No, I am needling you both a bit (and also Jim in absentia). But I am also responding to what I saw of that recent round of Prynnes and the attempt to get to grips with it, increasingly desperately, by the Prynne fan club on Twitter and Facebook. It does seem sterile and static to me, but then you are both practicing poets and if his work inspires you then I can defer to that.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
Frank O'Hara suffered the fate that you and Luke will. When they came to put together his collected poems they were fishing out gems written on scraps of paper from sock draws or letters sent to friends.

How are we going to retrieve all of the work you have scattered all over the world?
 

luka

Well-known member
if you had a drink with me i could pull out the prynne and get you into him in about 15 minutes, easy
 

luka

Well-known member
it has a glamour on the page which is undeniable and seductive and youre too sensitive not to respond to
 

woops

is not like other people
no i'm not grumpy i just realised this is not a discussion about is whether prynne is any good, but about whether craner likes the idea of prynne, so stepped out and made some lunch.
 

catalog

Well-known member
i really got a sense of what Olson is about when i was doing my Poplar project (which you scoffed at mercilessly!)
there's an iain sinclair book of interviews i read a few years ago, it's called "the verbals". he talks a lot about the influence of charles olson and the black mountain scene more generally in it. good book, i gave it away i think, or maybe it was a library book. he also talks about the responsibility of the writer/poet in it.
getting at the really big stuff through investigating the local
sounds like exactly something he (sinclair) would say.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
no i'm not grumpy i just realised this is not a discussion about is whether prynne is any good, but about whether craner likes the idea of prynne, so stepped out and made some lunch.

Such a vexed "I'm not vexed!" response. I know it, because I always do it.
 

luka

Well-known member
there's an iain sinclair book of interviews i read a few years ago, it's called "the verbals". he talks a lot about the influence of charles olson and the black mountain scene more generally in it. good book, i gave it away i think, or maybe it was a library book. he also talks about the responsibility of the writer/poet in it.

sounds like exactly something he (sinclair) would say.
edmund met the verbals guy on the train. kevin jackson? kevin said, dont see many people reading olson these days, and edmund said
heres a copy of my new book, 100 haikus on penetration.
 
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