imparting a consciousness and will to "complexity" is the same as imparting them to the "cosmos"complexity can hasten itself by imposing a "something" to propel it
Even if this is just worshipping at a different altar - is it not the most pragmatic one? A pragmatism that ought to calibrate around some averaged aim of humanity.imparting a consciousness and will to "complexity" is the same as imparting them to the "cosmos"
you're just worshiping at a different altar - complexity, guided self-organization, whatever
while saying "but no, this is different"
You're right - I mean the circular logic of value, how a given metric can ascribe value to its own meters. Bootstrapping, the Book is true because the Book says the Book is true. Drinking one's own koolaid, circular logic, is opposed, not without reason, by a more empirical "value needs to come from something prior/higher" sensibility."The dubious thing is the drinking-of-owns-own-koolaid that is fundamentally opposed"
can this be clarified without the word salad
it's hard to think of a better summation of benevolent totalitarianismPart of the difficulty is that, to get this across, one needs to express that all expressions, even the ones aimed against it, are valid
Right, media portrayals basically show AI as human-like, which is crazy. Human intelligence, and all known animal intelligence, is like this tiny pin-prick in the space of all possible intelligences. Films like ExMachina portray it like, “Well, you know, we’ll build AIs, and the AIs will, of course, want some resources for themselves, but if we’re nice to them, they’ll probably be nice to us. And on the other hand, if we’re cruel to them, and we try to enslave them, then they’ll resent that, and they’ll feel rebellious, and they’ll try to break free.” But of course, that kind of thinking may have a lot to do with human normative biases and not with how intelligence works broadly. I like the idea of intelligence as a natural kind, that it's purely instrumental, one's ability to achieve goals, completely separate from goals themselves. That allows ethics and intelligence to be completely, cleanly uncoupled.Great points, and yeah you're right, that the mainstream conversation regarding AI is locked in a kind of fetal paralysis because the concept is too fantastic and dominated by sci-fi portrayal (which is often sensationalized to highly detrimental extents, no?). Ultron, Her, Matrix - various portrayals (of varying calibers) which send messages that are almost always oveshadowed by the more impressive production elements.
Pessimism is definitely the woke, insider take on this issue; a lot of people in the field look at e.g. the GPTs, which are cutting-edge and have high-wow factor, as very very far away from general superintelligence. But still, that kinda thinking means we're maybe 50-100 years away from transformative AI, rather than 10-20 years. The inevitability is there; it's just a matter of timescale.Vimothy, who makes over a million (£) a year as a programmer says there is no way AI is happening. It's sci-fi fantasy.
I'm glad it's not an argument for QoL, cuz if we're talking history, male homicide in historic hunter-gatherers are like, what, 30%? infant mortality is like 50%? childbirth mortality not far off, etc. Expected lifespan even if you beat child mortality is still like, 40? Brutal times.I thought you had studied history? or enough not to make such lame caricatures as "the Dark Ages"
hunter-gatherers successfully existed for tens of thousands of years. industrial humanity has wrecked the planet in a few hundred.
that's not an argument for quality of life, just sustainability
I can start to see where this could very much apply to what I'm talking about.benevolent totalitarianism
Hopefully the right cosmology can harness capitalism's incredible momentum, rather than let capitalism continue to exploit our relatively immature sensibilities.tho capitalism is already perfectly good at that, without all the fancy cosmology talk, in the form of recuperation
if people bring up my "fancy education" one more time I swear to god I'm leaving this forum. ad hominem is a worse offense than unintentional misattribution