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I agree with Third in general that there's more music out there to be appreciated than ever before. A friend said recently re. reissues "the past is getting bigger, not smaller" and it's the same for contemporary musics.
However, I think the point of difference here is that in comparison to the past we all grew up with, there's no sense of mass popularity with a lot of this stuff. No sense of sharing, and that haywire effect that starts when new forms are loose in public space and a shared culture starts to emerge, mutate and evolve. This is why drill, and it's newer Brooklyn forms are interesting, their mass popularity. 1000s upon 1000s of kids listening - so much so, that it gets picked up in the US, and another mutation starts to run through its permutations.
So maybe the recent future thread isn't lamenting the loss of the future as such, more the loss of the excitement of a shared culture? The siloing off of forms into little internet niches. Rave was a mass shared moment, that shared loss of the self in the crowd. Can we do that with Bandcamp? I'd argue no.
However, I think the point of difference here is that in comparison to the past we all grew up with, there's no sense of mass popularity with a lot of this stuff. No sense of sharing, and that haywire effect that starts when new forms are loose in public space and a shared culture starts to emerge, mutate and evolve. This is why drill, and it's newer Brooklyn forms are interesting, their mass popularity. 1000s upon 1000s of kids listening - so much so, that it gets picked up in the US, and another mutation starts to run through its permutations.
So maybe the recent future thread isn't lamenting the loss of the future as such, more the loss of the excitement of a shared culture? The siloing off of forms into little internet niches. Rave was a mass shared moment, that shared loss of the self in the crowd. Can we do that with Bandcamp? I'd argue no.
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came across this little scene the other day that proofs your point regarding the popularity of drill. it's not just youtube views. from 00:48 onwards, little block party the speaker blasting fivio foreign- big drip.
Absolutely there is. I teach 16-19 year olds and I hear them rapping it in the corridors and playing the videos in the classrooms. You can tell there's something popular afoot.
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Yeah, I wouldve said drill is one music with a more definable constituency
sure, but gangnam style was once popular. obviously I'm not comparing drill to that but what is the collective cultural shift (outside of rap) that drill has inaugurated? none.
Acid house etc etc aren't really comparable because it was mutant disco. the real disco purists are like the joe claussel new york body and soul types. It's also why Alternative TV was the best punk band and The Clash was the absolute worst.
im not even anti-drill. people think i am but I'm not. all i'm saying is you lot are using an outdated inapplicable framework. drill is not nuum, only through heavy osmosis. there's nothing future in it because the coordinates of future were used for something else.
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The shared culture I'm referring to is around the music, it's take up, popularity and evolution which even someone with as much distance from it as me can see. Specifically in terms of evolving I meant its take up by US rappers as we discussed in recent threads. though its evolving sonically in a bunch of others ways (Barty would be better placed to explain this than me). i'm pretty sure that the people involved in making it and consuming it see it as part of a shared culture that they are excited about, whether you think it's valid or not. It's by them and for them. I have zero interest in "the nuum", frameworks and so on. Just pointing out it's popular and culturally alive in a way that the other musics you referenced above, are not.
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what are you on about? dnb is culturally huge, far bigger than drill. It's gash, but if we're talking about sheer cultural vibrancy then its not comparable. How are US rappers picking up that flow when that flow comes from G Herbo (and even oh fucking hell are we still talking about these aerobics instructors Migos) by some peoples admissions?
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Don’t know where this thing about UK drill flows coming from ‘kill shit’ comes from. Maybe it’s something David drake has said or something, but it’s not true. It’s something you can plot on a graph, they’re objectively different.
I’d even say that the ‘kill shit’ flow is a great example of Americans not being able to cope with dancehall-esque drum patterns. It’s not a rhythmic lexicon they’re comfortable with and that’s why the flow on ‘kill shit’ sticks so rigidly to the snares.
Brooklyn drill flows aren’t UK flows, it’s the instrumentals that the Brooklyn lot are copying from UK drill, not the mcing.
I’d even say that the ‘kill shit’ flow is a great example of Americans not being able to cope with dancehall-esque drum patterns. It’s not a rhythmic lexicon they’re comfortable with and that’s why the flow on ‘kill shit’ sticks so rigidly to the snares.
Brooklyn drill flows aren’t UK flows, it’s the instrumentals that the Brooklyn lot are copying from UK drill, not the mcing.
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