sideways not forwards

luka

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Your rubbish opinions will get put in an envolope and sent to Siberia
 

catalog

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Funny how those words embed into the psyche. Spice girls zig a zig ah. Wayne's world schwings. What else
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
it has a romance of the exotic and far-flung
oh boy that doesn't sound good

a new generation of UK producers who are more in tune with a virtual community of SoundCloud bedroom producers "than the fusty-seeming legacy of the hardcore continuum"
fair play there, and it makes perfect sense that anything truly fwd would be engaged with Sound/Mixcloud, netlabels, etc

I'm surely not the target audience, but I think that's the only interesting about that piece, or the mix you posted, or "club"

it's interesting (to me, anyway) to see the nuts + bolts mechanics of how the internet has changed how a sound/scene evolves, coalesces, is codified, hyped, etc

the music itself tbh just feels like another boring UK dance music in the long line of them ppl have been selling me/whoever since like 2007

again, I'm not the target audience, and I skimmed through one mix, so what do I know

but we're (at least) 20 years into hip folx taking global (often tho not always global South) sounds and not appropriating them but just making inferior versions

amorphous nothingness like "bass", "club", etc; who actually wants to listen to this instead of like, the real thing
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
like there's no there there. like there wasn't with bass or deconstructed club or footwork (or perhaps in a different but related way, conceptronica).

with I suppose is what you're saying about that philosophical wrinkle that these are all based other scenes/sounds

tho idk if that the UK specifically has an inability to organically produce scenes so much as no music intelligentsia ever produces scenes on their own

they/we have to magpie off of actual scenes, so you wind up with this hollow/pale imitation of whatever the real thing is.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
whereas I guess people I've been into in "world techno" (or whatever idk) the last few years do their own unique take an established thing, rather than just redoing someone else's

Tapan, Tzusing, even Omar-S (I mean, always)

I'm sure they're all products of a scenius too, but they're inverting that relationship of influence and output
 

thirdform

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I don't think its completely handy to disown the exotic impulse. even arty idm bods like black dog were taking influences from 60s exotica and middle eastern melodies. Some people started up a club night in Leeds called 'Not Exotic' to skirt that trend. they seem to be playing the real thing though, reggaeton/kuduro/afrotrap/etc. But I still don't think interest with the outside is a bad thing. the problem is the club has an entirely predictable demographic now. yes, even if it's queer or multiracial in the UK, it's an outpost of the commodity-markets seeking creative/fashion industry specifically. I don't even want to say middle class or studentified because it's not really even that anymore. it's almost the graphic designer and visual arts types exclusively, which explains the trend for minaturised music. Students would still go to fuck off wobble dnb/acid techno squat parties (just ask Corpse!) Graphic designers don't.
 
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thirdform

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I think barty should redo his blogpost about studentification to graphic-designerification.

Maybe the student wave of 07-12 wasn't so bad after all. revival now!
 

chava

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whereas I guess people I've been into in "world techno" (or whatever idk) the last few years do their own unique take an established thing, rather than just redoing someone else's

Tapan, Tzusing, even Omar-S (I mean, always)

I'm sure they're all products of a scenius too, but they're inverting that relationship of influence and output
Agree with everything you said.

The time is not for more "scenes", we need auteurs from now on, with soul. Like Omar S. Tzusing as well. Must check tapan as well.
 
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