catalog

Well-known member
Yeah i cant either. I am sorry. I literally cant believe what is happening here. What a madness.
 

sadmanbarty

Well-known member
I disagree. Very very strongly. I think people are fascinating and the interactions of people are fascinating. I don't think 'name your favourite cover version' is remotely interesting.

i agree. other users disagree. that's fine.

one issue i think is that differing temperaments are perceived as reflecting some kind of moral character.

so some users love the forum really fast paced and conversational while others like it slow and considered with huge blocks of text. some like lots of in-jokes and familiarity, while others prefer it to be far more anonymous and ideas based. some people like feign ignorance while others like to pronounce their intellect.

none of those things are bad things and none of them (in theory) can't coexist. where it seems we run into problems is that some users of a particular temperament see the other set of users as bad.

i'm not saying i wasn't guilty of this. i honestly used to think people were being disingenuous about the things that offended them. i couldn't quite believe users were getting upset about the things that they were. i see now that i was wrong, but i'm not sure the same adjustment has happened with other users; they haven't gone "luke and party are a bit excitable and silly and just want to make sure everyone has a nice time". there's still all this talk about "misbehaviour", "stirring shit", etc.
 

mvuent

Void Dweller
Personally, I don't get why barty and luka are taking so much heat. There've been a handful of instances when I've felt luka's been purposefully baiting someone - usually Tea, droid or Craner - but they're few and far between and it's never struck me as genuinely malicious.

hey stop derailing the thread version! we're trying to discuss politics here!
 

sadmanbarty

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Personally, I don't get why barty and luka are taking so much heat. There've been a handful of instances when I've felt luka's been purposefully baiting someone - usually Tea, droid or Craner - but they're few and far between and it's never struck me as genuinely malicious.

it's nice of you to say that version. there are other users who feel the same (as i'm sure there are users who think me and luke are annoying, but haven't said so), but it is nice to hear said on the forum.
 

luka

Well-known member
Really appreciate that tbh version. i don't want to get so angry that I have to leave the place cos the vast majority of people here are great and mostly we have fun.
 

luka

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But as Barty says some people think fun is a mortal sin. Some people feel being familiar with other people is basically like adultery or something
 
I feel the need to say that Luka‘s belligerent little shit routine provoked me into posting again so we can’t see his craic as just discouraging
 

sadmanbarty

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usually when these things happen you get the forum full of people calling me and luke terrible bastards while those who don't think we're terrible bastards cower in private correspondence showing their support.

it's nice having people out in the open sticking up for us. i'd go so far as to say that it might be quite constructive. firstly it means that i'd be less inclined to rise to the bait when there are other people slagging me off and misrepresenting me (me rising to the bait tonight caused all this fuss). secondly it might just give pause for thought to those who are saying we're terrible bastards, a part of them might think "maybe i've got the wrong end of the stick here"
 

mvuent

Void Dweller
usually when these things happen you get the forum full of people calling me and luke terrible bastards while those who don't think we're terrible bastards cower in private correspondence showing their support.

it's nice having people out in the open sticking up for us. i'd go so far as to say that it might be quite constructive. firstly it means that i'd be less inclined to rise to the bait when there are other people slagging me off and misrepresenting me (me rising to the bait tonight caused all this fuss). secondly it might just give pause for thought to those who are saying we're terrible bastards, a part of them might think "maybe i've got the wrong end of the stick here"

i too appreciate when you and luka make deliberate efforts to include and engage with people (including me!). just for the record.
 
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sadmanbarty

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anyway, i'm sorry for all this nonsense again tonight. it was largely my fault and i appreciate how annoying it is when the forum's bogged down in all this shit.

droid and patty, even though we disagree i hope there aren't any hard feelings. i have a huge (not entirely platonic) affection for both of you. i'll try and tone down some of the laddishness and i hope in return you try and give me the benefit of the doubt in future.

let's start tomorrow with lots of fun.
 

pattycakes_

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That's part of the problem though. When you really break this shit down to the uncomfortable but palpable to anyone with half a wit truth, barty and luka hold so much charismatic power on here that to be liked, acknowledged, or have a thread made for you by them is like the ultimate thing for so many of the players. And yes, it's fun but it ultimately just feeds into this boys club backslapping fest where you're either in or you're out and all the pilot fish are going to back up the big sharks because they're their source of ego boost, gang protection and whatever else. I know I'm not making any friends with this comment but I'd be really surprised if I'm the only one thinking it.

Edit: re: mvuent
 

mvuent

Void Dweller
That's part of the problem though. When you really break this shit down to the uncomfortable but palpable to anyone with half a wit truth, barty and luka hold so much charismatic power on here that to be liked, acknowledged, or have a thread made for you by them is like the ultimate thing for so many of the players. And yes, it's fun but it ultimately just feeds into this boys club backslapping fest where you're either in or you're out and all the pilot fish are going to back up the big sharks because they're their source of ego boost, gang protection and whatever else. I know I'm not making any friends with this comment but I'd be really surprised if I'm the only one thinking it.

Edit: re: mvuent

yeah, i get and agree with that as well. like you said earlier, a lot of great threads have happened without barty and luka's intervention. and they're not the only ones who do try (or should try) to bring people in. one reason i liked the first thread i made here was that a few people who aren't posting constantly chimed in, and it was great.
 

pattycakes_

Well-known member
droid's long post is right. If there was less ego going on and less of this constant negativity, relentless calling out, stirring up of negative emotions, gang mentality I'm sure we could organically get back to the glory days of dematerialisation which luka has been dining out on for the last year and a half.
 

sadmanbarty

Well-known member
corpsey made craner's top 100 thread. vimothy made the get craner writing thread. the john eden top 100 was third's idea. etc.

and that's just those spotlight threads.
 
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