sadmanbarty

New member
anyway, i'm sorry for all this nonsense again tonight. it was largely my fault and i appreciate how annoying it is when the forum's bogged down in all this shit.

droid and patty, even though we disagree i hope there aren't any hard feelings. i have a huge (not entirely platonic) affection for both of you. i'll try and tone down some of the laddishness and i hope in return you try and give me the benefit of the doubt in future.

let's start tomorrow with lots of fun.
 

pattycakes_

Active member
That's part of the problem though. When you really break this shit down to the uncomfortable but palpable to anyone with half a wit truth, barty and luka hold so much charismatic power on here that to be liked, acknowledged, or have a thread made for you by them is like the ultimate thing for so many of the players. And yes, it's fun but it ultimately just feeds into this boys club backslapping fest where you're either in or you're out and all the pilot fish are going to back up the big sharks because they're their source of ego boost, gang protection and whatever else. I know I'm not making any friends with this comment but I'd be really surprised if I'm the only one thinking it.

Edit: re: mvuent
 

mvuent

Void Dweller
That's part of the problem though. When you really break this shit down to the uncomfortable but palpable to anyone with half a wit truth, barty and luka hold so much charismatic power on here that to be liked, acknowledged, or have a thread made for you by them is like the ultimate thing for so many of the players. And yes, it's fun but it ultimately just feeds into this boys club backslapping fest where you're either in or you're out and all the pilot fish are going to back up the big sharks because they're their source of ego boost, gang protection and whatever else. I know I'm not making any friends with this comment but I'd be really surprised if I'm the only one thinking it.

Edit: re: mvuent
yeah, i get and agree with that as well. like you said earlier, a lot of great threads have happened without barty and luka's intervention. and they're not the only ones who do try (or should try) to bring people in. one reason i liked the first thread i made here was that a few people who aren't posting constantly chimed in, and it was great.
 

pattycakes_

Active member
droid's long post is right. If there was less ego going on and less of this constant negativity, relentless calling out, stirring up of negative emotions, gang mentality I'm sure we could organically get back to the glory days of dematerialisation which luka has been dining out on for the last year and a half.
 

sadmanbarty

New member
corpsey made craner's top 100 thread. vimothy made the get craner writing thread. the john eden top 100 was third's idea. etc.

and that's just those spotlight threads.
 

mvuent

Void Dweller
Not being bad patty but your opinions and beliefs do get attacked by pretty much everyone on the forum not because of personal animosity but because you are so out of step with everyone else.
also for the record patty i completely disagree with this assessment. just as long as i'm chiming in and telling everyone what i REALLY think lol.
 

sadmanbarty

New member
this constant negativity, relentless calling out, stirring up of negative emotions, gang mentality .
but from my perspective the forum's been thriving recently with danny l joining in some discussions and craner a while back and silverdollar returning and bellwoods coming and making a thread and kumar being wicked and the ig showing up and before all that all those fun polls we were doing.

this isn't me being facetious, the only thing before baked bean-gate that was niggling me was you; you constant negativity, this relentless need to try and call me out (for god knows what), stirring up unwarranted negativity, trying to pit me and luke as a little gang against other users.

that may well have been all my projection, but if i'm to accept that you have to accept that your perspective may well be too.

maybe other users aren't trying to get in the barty and luke gang. maybe they just have fun on the forum, sometimes with me and luke and sometimes independent of us. maybe there isn't some terrible regime and social pecking order.

maybe third was a bit rude to bellwoods, luke was in turn a bit rude to third and the rest of us found the whole thing fucking awful if not outrageous.

some elaborate conspiracy theory doesn't need to be constructed around it.
 

pattycakes_

Active member
I guess I should make it clear that I don't actually harbor any hard feelings to anyone on here. Certainly not luka or barty. They're consistently entertaining and huge contributors of quality stuff. But I think the schoolyard cabal has gotten a bit carried away with itself and its time to be aware of that. In the glory days of 2018 we had all the good natured familiar elements (ribbing etc) going on amongst us with much less of the real toxic shit that we have going on now. One thing I've become more aware of over these last few years as our reality gets increasingly sinister, is that people tend to take their own misery out on others as a way to relieve some of their own pain. It's a temporary buzz to hurt someone and get a little rise out of them. It's that shit your mum told you when you were a kid. It says more about them than it does you. The thing is, it really does. Times are getting hard. We're all in the grinder one way or another and the only way out is by not going with that flow imo. Dissensus has taken that turn in the last year or so. I think partly there's a frustration on some people's behalf that we can't have a dematerialisation pt. deux and so there's a subtle desperation simmering away under the surface and partly because of the horror of the landscape slowly unravelling when we look out the window. It's time to try to be good to each other.
 

pattycakes_

Active member
Yes of course fun is still being had, but for some much more than others. I'm not just talking about myself here. I get it barty, it's all fun and games to you. But I did get a bit of a sour taste in my mouth after seeing some of the contradictory shit going on with you, which I really don't feel like getting specific about, you seem to be aware of some of it anyway. I think we've said what needed to be said now. I really don't wish for much to change apart from a little bit more awareness of the dynamics in place over the last few months. Let's try and make it fun for everyone. Even those we don't agree with etc.
 

sadmanbarty

New member
But I did get a bit of a sour taste in my mouth after seeing some of the contradictory shit going on with you, which I really don't feel like getting specific about, you seem to be aware of some of it anyway.
i have no idea what you're talking about. private message me.
 

luka

Active member
Staff member
but from my perspective the forum's been thriving recently with danny l joining in some discussions and craner a while back and silverdollar returning and bellwoods coming and making a thread and kumar being wicked and the ig showing up and before all that all those fun polls we were doing.

this isn't me being facetious, the only thing before baked bean-gate that was niggling me was you; you constant negativity, this relentless need to try and call me out (for god knows what), stirring up unwarranted negativity, trying to pit me and luke as a little gang against other users.

that may well have been all my projection, but if i'm to accept that you have to accept that your perspective may well be too.

maybe other users aren't trying to get in the barty and luke gang. maybe they just have fun on the forum, sometimes with me and luke and sometimes independent of us. maybe there isn't some terrible regime and social pecking order.

maybe third was a bit rude to bellwoods, luke was in turn a bit rude to third and the rest of us found the whole thing fucking awful if not outrageous.

some elaborate conspiracy theory doesn't need to be constructed around it.

This is absolutely right and if anyone tries to say it's not they are gas lighting
 

sadmanbarty

New member
barty and luka hold so much charismatic power on here that to be liked, acknowledged, or have a thread made for you by them is like the ultimate thing for so many of the players.
to be honest this has stroked my ego so much i'm willing to forget everything admit that i'm a terrible bastard.
 

luka

Active member
Staff member
The initial thing that pissed me off is loads of people were on a thread saying how good it's been and how they love it and third waded in and said no it's not it's shit here and you lot are shit too. Then he went on and on about Barty and how Bartys a cunt and his music is shit on and on then the baked bean thread which was solely aimed at belittling someone else and trying to destroy what had been a good thread.

Before that things had been great. People kept saying it's great. And I was pissed off by that crazed sabotage. so that's all. I don't care what anyone says those are the facts.
 

luka

Active member
Staff member
to be honest this has stroked my ego so much i'm willing to forget everything admit that i'm a terrible bastard.
Yeah me too tbh if we could just get one or two people saying this sort of thing once or twice a week things would work a lot more smoothly all round. It don't take much.
 
This is a serious forum lads ffs. Imagine when Dominic logs back on to see a thread about him is a load teenage boys arguing about who’s the cooleseb
 

craner

Beast of Burden
Do other internet forums have such high levels of emotional investment? Is Mumsnet like this?
 
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