padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
which is to say that pd/ph is just a way of describing an era

if yall just want to hear a lot of cool records, no problem

proto-house is a different thing, obviously organized around it's relation to house (and techno really, in the beginning things were pretty blurred)

for me that stretches back to disco proper, beginning with people like Bohannon, Patrick Adams, etc and obviously Moroder

as well as crucially edits and mixes by Walter Gibbons, Francois K, Danny Krivit, etc

again, a lot of cool records, if not quite as many, and some overlap with pd/ph, but different in having a specific focus

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
i.e. not everything people posted in here is really "proto-house"

Visual - The Music Got Me, 100% proto-house, huge in both New York and Chicago

somehow manages to sound like both proto-garage house and proto-Chicago house at the same time (again, beginnings are protean)

Laid Back - White Horse, is as well, albeit coming from a completely different direction

stripped back, minimal, repetitive electronic dance music with killer groove

and sometimes it really depends on how you hear a particular track, or there may be only a certain part in it that points toward house and/or techno

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
the greatest diva of them all my queen Gwen Guthrie, Sly + Robbie, Wally Badarou on keys, and Levan again on the mix

i.e. a basically impossible assemblage of talent, and what a result

more Levan trademarks: huge cavernous sound (to match his Garage system), heavy use of dub techniques, complete mastery of individual elements alone + together

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
one of the key distinguishing points between disco and post-disco would be treatment of vocals/vocalist

it's not uniform but especially in the dub mixes, in the p-d era there's ever greater manipulation of the vocals

I believe for reasons of both technology and willingness

Walter Gibbons was a real pioneer in that regard; iirc Loleatta Holloway was less than enthused when she heard his famous mix of Hit + Run

as he'd used her vocals as essentially another instrument in the mix rather than the focal point

the great shift in dance music from songs to tracks

anyway you hear that in this era more and more as years go on

for example, skip ahead to the 7 minute of this Patrick Adams kind of electro wot d u call it jam. blew my mind the first time I heard it, years ago.

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
I reckon a fair number of you might know this one. huge Funhouse tune, as well as Garage etc. this cat played with Ian Dury, so he was involved with some jams.

I like the way it alternates between dark electro vibe (bit bladerunner avant la lettre) and a more hopeful mechanical disco vamp

puts me in mind of this stone cold classic as well, they were truly a force to be reckoned with in their early days