Best songs you've ever heard?

[shiels]

its probably just the opposite tho. Aphex is good at what he does/did probably because he can't do straight line music anywhere near well

i do agree with this. these awkward musicians, afx and burial being the most celebrated examples, they're actually trying to do dance music and can't, and are often at their best earnestly attempting pop and failing

 

[luka]

There's a Burroughs essay where he talks about realising he couldn't write a bestseller if he tried.

 

[pattycakes_]

i do agree with this. these awkward musicians, afx and burial being the most celebrated examples, they're actually trying to do dance music and can't, and are often at their best earnestly attempting pop and failing

you just posted an analord track. that whole series is choc full of tunes. and then there's all the really simple melodic shit from the 90s. ofc it gets a bit choppy and breaky but it's still just tunes.

and what about ambient works vol 1?

incredible tunes on that

 

[shiels]

you just posted an analord track. that whole series is choc full of tunes. and then there's all the really simple melodic shit from the 90s. ofc it gets a bit choppy and breaky but it's still just tunes.

Is it though? It’s brilliant. But is it a banger in the sense of forcing you to dance in a club? It’s not. It’s a different thing, it uses some of the same structures and is nearly there but it doesn’t hit that way, it’s kind of sexless

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

I think we can all agree he's no Calvin Harris

 

[pattycakes_]

we were talking about whether he can make regular tunes, as opposed to adhd workouts.

 

[luka]

Those are all beautiful pieces of music but they come from another dimension some liminal zone trespassed on in lucid dream. They're obviously not the same thing as like


or any other completely embodied banger

 

[luka]

Doesn't have the immediacy. Does have the here and nowness. The embodiedness. The physical presence. The spunk.

 

[luka]

These aren't value judgements but it important to make the distinction surely

 

[pattycakes_]

Those are all beautiful pieces of music but they come from another dimension some liminal zone trespassed on in lucid dream. They're obviously not the same thing as like


or any other completely embodied banger

lol what does that tune have to do with anything going on here?

i was talking about his ability to write jungle, which just from listening to his sound design and programming abilities, i think it's obvious he could write at least an albums worth of pure jungle. but he would probably be bored doing it. and then those early tunes were just to show it doesn't have to be how shiels described.

 

[luka]

Patty, it has everything to do with this conversation. We are talking about the mans limits. The what and why of them.

 

[Leo]

lots of these are really good tracks or great artists, not really "best songs you've ever heard", are they?

great stuff, sure. but best, ever?

 

[luka]

Jungle has nothing whatsoever to do with programming and sound design.

 

[pattycakes_]

ah yeah, of course not what was i thinking!

:crylarf:

 

[shiels]

There’s a detached melancholy, an obsessive loop around the embodied physical fuck of dance music but they can’t ever get there, and the results are beautiful

 

[shiels]

lots of these are really good tracks or great artists, not really "best songs you've ever heard", are they?

great stuff, sure. but best, ever?

Things have moved on leo we’re now discussing what Aphex twin is like in bed

 

[daddek]

lol what does that tune have to do with anything going on here?
i was talking about his ability to write jungle, which just from listening to his sound design and programming abilities, i think it's obvious he could write at least an albums worth of pure jungle. but he would probably be bored doing it. and then those early tunes were just to show it doesn't have to be how shiels described.

there's mountain of achievment and struggle between a genre pinnacle like dj SS Black, and some perfunctory attempt at jungle.

"sound design and programming abilities"
neither of those things will give any insight into why Black succeeds. Luka's description of physical embodiment is perfect.

aphex has a lovely sense of melody, generous and relatable. Which is what your evoking with your examples. the pop sense.

 

[pattycakes_]

there are little glimmers throughout his breakcore work that flirt with pure jungle. obviously the drums are completely taken from there, but then his pads and basses are also obviously from that same pallette. he was a jungle head, and you can tell that by listening to the tracks he chooses to play when he djs. anyway guess we'll have to agree to disagree. i'm sure he could make something as iconic as black. maybe not the same thing, but something equally potent.

 

[luka]

Patty vs the world

 

[pattycakes_]

innit