luka

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I didn't look at any of those videos of caveh zahedi, got a off vibe from it, like it was a Shiah Leboef project.
 

kumar

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theres plenty of repulsive elements to him, the films throw up a lot of interesting ideas around the consequences of this kind of public emotional honesty. and how becoming blindsided by his own commitment to that honesty can be completely counterintuitive and destructive.

its all very good they should show it in schools
 

luka

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I'm firmly opposed to watching them and forming my own opinion though. Or rather, I've formed an opinion therefore I won't watch them
 

luka

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honesty is a slippery concept.

I've often found myself online (the Internet allows for this) embroiled in two arguments simultaneously and both arguments being about the same thing, and I'm arguing for one side with one person and on the other side with the other person and I haven't had any cognitive dissonance, no sense that this was dishonest. I meant everything I said.
 

kumar

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particularly slippery when youve made a career out of "being committed" to it.

when ive shown him to some people they get very strong insights into what they think his motives are that seem uncharitable to me. and with any mediated version of yourself, your forum version, your filmmaker version etc, you're separated by more time than in a standard face to face conversation, which can invite these definite, potentially uncharitable readings into what you actually mean.

not that face to face conversation is risk free of course
 

kumar

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I've often found myself online (the Internet allows for this) embroiled in two arguments simultaneously and both arguments being about the same thing, and I'm arguing for one side with one person and on the other side with the other person and I haven't had any cognitive dissonance, no sense that this was dishonest. I meant everything I said.

you have alt accounts here?
 

droid

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and this is a very particular place, on the one hand a totally insular group of people who've known eachother for nearly 2 decades and still a public place where people use their real names, theyll naturally feel protective when the lads whatsapp jokes could potentially be misconstrued by people they might like to show this to.

theres a self awareness and general messianic complex here that is completely deserved but also something youre unlikely to find at electriciansforum.net

In the recent past I spent a fair amount of time inviting people here. Old members Im still in contact with, lurkers I know in other contexts, people I think would be interesting, after all, the more voices the better.

Ive stopped now, because of some of the worst excesses, and, no word of a lie, of fear of how they might be treated.
 

luka

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of course, that's why i said admitting not celebrating. recognising you're a stupid egotistical cunt and struggling against it daily

There is energy freed up by the breaking of taboos. So in the 90s Loaded magazine and in the 00s Vice magazine. And it very quickly becomes apparent why those taboos were in there in the first place.

There are demons that have been chained under the earth and if you free them you can kind of ride to power on them. That's how I see Thatcher and Trump and all sorts of other things
 
Ego is all about difference. The concept of othering is interesting here. There’s a lot of talk of othering in social justice and woke rhetoric. The irony in it being an accusation is thats a form of othering in itself, like differentiation isn’t a fundamental aspect of creating meaning and how we relate to one other. I think there’s value in realising it’s something that we constantly do in all our interactions
 

luka

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Othering and fetishisation are two terms which i think can be usefully critiqued/detourned (in the way they are commonly used)
 
In the recent past I spent a fair amount of time inviting people here. Old members Im still in contact with, lurkers I know in other contexts, people I think would be interesting, after all, the more voices the better.

Ive stopped now, because of some of the worst excesses, and, no word of a lie, of fear of how they might be treated.

this is a bit defeatist droid, so what are you doing now? nobly captaining the ship while it goes down?
 
There are demons that have been chained under the earth and if you free them you can kind of ride to power on them. That's how I see Thatcher and Trump and all sorts of other things

this is something we talked about a bit i the cringeworthy thread, pressing those buttons, tapping into the energy around social norms, transgressing and riding on the cringe, shame, embarassment, outrage
 

luka

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Something like Henry Miller relies on the breaking of taboos for its energy (as far as I can see at any rate) and something like that can have huge liberatory potential for contemporaries but date very badly a generation or two down the line. Miller to me is crude and boorish and ugly.

For contemporaries they are able to maybe integrate a part of themseleves that had hitherto been disavowed. It gives them that permission. Says, this is part of the human inheritance and experience. Bill Hicks is unfashionable now but when I saw his thing when I was 21 I found it really powerful and I thought his Goatboy persona operated in this way.
 

luka

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this is something we talked about a bit i the cringeworthy thread, pressing those buttons, tapping into the energy around social norms, transgressing and riding on the cringe, shame, embarassment, outrage

And you hope that in the aftermath a space for honesty is opened up.
 

luka

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That century of the self series is another thing that's good at highlighting how 'honesty' can be cover for something darker and more self serving.
 
That century of the self series is another thing that's good at highlighting how 'honesty' can be cover for something darker and more self serving.

you mean in the sense of honouring repressed impulses? advertising teasing out those desires, and offering their satisfaction? self expression through consumption etc?
 
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