If what you’re saying is true baboon then you need to show some love and forgiveness to luka’s angry, cold manager who’s stepping in to protect the scared little boy underneath. You need to thank the manager for protecting the boy but let him know that he doesn’t need to do that here, because it’s safe in here, it’s all love in here with the lads.
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
I'm not saying anything other than what I said - most people have a similar dynamic anyway, obviously including me as I've just said it...
 
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luka

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You do what you want lads but I think you are behaving extremely badly. But I don't feel angry at all at the moment so don't feel the need to pursue it.
 

luka

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If I do feel the need to be belligerent at any point today or into the future then of course I will return to pick at this scab. I do like you all. I like Baboon, I like Danny, Droid I consider a good mate. But you know, you're being very silly.
 

luka

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Just for the record, Luka, if I spoke out of turn about parents, then I will wholeheartedly apologise. But I just can't be on here in this kind of pretend mode, where you get to be as horrible as you like, and we can't level with each other. That's a fucking game based on non-realness, and it's shit.

@Shiels - I'm right about me, that's all I know.

No, I didn't mind the parent bit at all.
 

luka

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No need to apologise for that. Yes I had a critical parent and Shiels was astute in linking it to that passage of prose he quoted.
 

luka

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That vision was me but it was also simultaneously my dad. I think this is potentially an interesting topic, in as much as I'm usually happy to talk about myself. What it doesn't do is make you right about what transpired yesterday. That was ridiculous. I don't hold a grudge, and I don't need to go on about it, but it was ridiculous.
 

luka

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As far as Lads What's App group goes, yes, sure, it is a tendency, and if you were to argue that it goes to far at times, I would listen politely but at the same time we have to acknowledge that it answers an emotional need. Which is why it exists. We are lads. It's a room full of lads. Hence, lads what's app. So long as that is not the only mode of communication i think it is healthy and necessary. It's not like I do it by myself. It's a group activity.
 

luka

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So lads what's app stays. That's fundamental to the healthy functioning of dissensus. Group therapy can also stay. I find that fun too. But what we don't institute is a group trial of Luka. That's not really group therapy that's just you lot being weirdos and perverts. This tendency we need to get rid of. I'm not happy with it.
 

luka

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I'm very open with you lot and I constantly admit faults and weakness and flaws and that but then that gets used against me by people that would never take those risks. So that is something that I resent. That imbalance.
 
Just FYI I never suggested getting rid of LWG, I’m just bringing it into Wider group consciousness yh

That bit of prose freaked me out and I messaged luka privately about it, very meaningful for me. I think you’ve both made interesting contributions despite the messiness. Luka on the thoughts and feelings you aren’t proud of that are difficult to acknowledge in a liberal setting. And baboon on the shitty ways men so often manage these feelings. And you’re both asking for the same thing, emotional honesty
 

luka

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We are both asking for that. What I refuse to go along with is a framing of this situation as Luka wrong, dads right. I'm just not going to stand for it. And if anyone tries to make it stick I will just kick off again. Because it is wrong.
 

version

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I think the thing with the lads stuff is it's alright when you're knocking each other about and everyone's having fun, but it can develop into bullying and general obnoxiousness if you're not careful.
 

luka

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Yeah, that's probably part of the fun too. I guess the trick is to identify who doesn't like it and try and leave them out of it.
 

catalog

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Yeah I don't think all the dad's ganging up on you is nice Luka, but the reason they are doing it is cos they are saying to you, that what you have said to baboon, twice now, is not on. They are sort of saying there are ground rules.
 
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