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DannyL

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I read Bryan Magee's autobiography recently (amazing book btw). He reports encountering totally mad shit dating back to the 50s Slightly different content but the same arguments, you've basically got two different ideologies and approaches sharing a bed.
 
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DannyL

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I think the big difference is the Left have never been in the driving seat before though I guess you had Michael Foot. it's that plus the 24 news cycle and social media Twitter madness.
 
subvert47

subvert47

I don't fight, I run away
DannyL said:
Also saw a graphic slagging off the Lab front bench for not signing a letter condemning the deportations, neglecting to mention it was a backbenders letter and convention is that frontbencers don't sign them. From Evolve Politics who've always been pretty awful.
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Fuck convention. It's time Sir Keith actually stood up for something. The useless triangulating centrist bastard.
 
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DannyL

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I agree (kind of) but I was pointing out the obvious bad faith of the graphic, and the way it misrepresents the situation - the frontbench don't sign this stuff normally.
 
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DannyL

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Sorry to just post tweets but this is worth reading in light of the above
From Diane Abbott's 2018 conference speech:
 
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subvert47

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DannyL said:
At least she's not triangulating and we know what she stands for, right?
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Serious criminals, deported by court order. Yes, there are problematic issues with that policy. But it's not the Home Office declaring long-term residents illegal immigrants and flying them out in the middle of the night.
 
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DannyL

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Serious criminals, deported by court order. Yes, there are problematic issues with that policy. But it's not the Home Office declaring long-term residents illegal immigrants and flying them out in the middle of the night.
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My point was just that there's continuity between Labour under Corbyn and now. The idea that Labour immigration was all flowers and welcome mats prior to Starmer and it's gone to shit 'cos he's such a centrist cuntbag isn't true. Zoe Gardener who is a really well informed immigration campaigner made the comment "Always fun to remember how much all Labour leadership teams have SUCKED SO FUCKING HARD on this stuff"
 
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DannyL said:
My point was just that there's continuity between Labour under Corbyn and now. The idea that Labour immigration was all flowers and welcome mats prior to Starmer and it's gone to shit 'cos he's such a centrist cuntbag isn't true. Zoe Gardener who is a really well informed immigration campaigner made the comment "Always fun to remember how much all Labour leadership teams have SUCKED SO FUCKING HARD on this stuff"
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Oh, absolutely. But still... it's not the Home Office declaring long-term residents illegal immigrants and flying them out in the middle of the night.
 
Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

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I think part of the problem with Starmer is that he's spent so long working at the very technical and legal end of politics that he's forgotten that a very important part of it - perhaps the most important part - is basically showmanship and theatre. So that allowing the party a free vote on the recent 'spycops' bill, for instance, would have been better than forcing an abstention, even if the concrete result would have been exactly the same, due the governent's massive majority.
 
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I don't fight, I run away
I'm just about getting his strategy now. It's totally about the last election, where the three big things were Brexit, anti-semitism and Corbyn himself.

1. Corbyn — we have "A New Leadership", Corbyn is gone, please shut up about him now.
2. anti-semitism — we agree to everything, please shut up about this now.
3. Brexit — we agree to everything, please shut up about this now.

But if Keith doesn't come up with some serious policies when he finally gets round to talking about them next year, it's all just centrist row-back bullshit.

I'm betting it's all just centrist row-back bullshit.
 
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