Keir Starmer

[DannyL]

I guess so. But here the information came via LinkedIn w- I expect a genuine Israeli intelligence asset might be more circumspect.

The crank Left is continuously having fantasies about Israeli penetration of the Labour party. This is a classic in the genre.

 

[Pandiculate]

I'd be interested in seeing any commentary as to why this is so. I assume it's some kinda cynical focused group exercise - what resonates with the voters they're aiming for or whatever. When I say I'd be interested in seeing commentary, I mean thoughtful pieces, not STARMER RED TORY CUNT KILL HIM WANKER obvs. Seems odd to me.

I've been assuming they've decided it might be seen in poor taste to attack the tories too vigorously in the middle of all this, they'll be calling for inquiries once it's all over I imagine.

 

[DannyL]

I've been assuming they've decided it might be seen in poor taste to attack the tories too vigorously in the middle of all this, they'll be calling for inquiries once it's all over I imagine.

Yeah, I figured it was something like this. Seems pretty weak given it's an unprecedented crisis. I would thought they could've gone to town regarding the corruption in particular (Dido Harding etc)

 

[version]

Dude.

Asa Winstanley found that out from looking at the dude's fucking LinkedIn profile. If he was an Israeli intelligence asset, do you think it would be announced to the world in this way.? The inference is that Starmer's Labour is in the pocket of Israel. I guess these people can't help themselves at this stage but it's yet more Jews behind the scenes, pulling secret strings fantasy fiction. Depressing.

The story might be that the guy's Israeli to that particular publication, but imo the actual story is that Labour are hiring people who worked cyberwarfare for intelligence agencies.

Also, I don't think it's that unbelievable that someone would advertise their employment with an agency like that. If that's your area of expertise then why wouldn't you? It isn't going to be viewed negatively by the people you're looking to be hired by and the people who do view it negatively are inconsequential.

 

[DannyL]

The bloke who wrote it got booted out of Labour for antisemitism some while back (pre-Starmer). The article references "The Lobby" doc which is largely bollocks. Colour me sceptical.

 

[luka]

I remember droid recommending the lobby doc I'll have to watch it at some point

 

[DannyL]

I did read yesterday that the guy who the article is about was a Leftist who protested against Bibi. I'll see if I can find the Tweet.

 

[DannyL]

I remember droid recommending the lobby doc I'll have to watch it at some point

I think it's mierepresentive. Uses selective quotation iirc but I'd have to look up some old threads.

 

[version]

The bloke who wrote it got booted out of Labour for antisemitism some while back (pre-Starmer). The article references "The Lobby" doc which is largely bollocks. Colour me sceptical.

Which bit of the story are you skeptical of?

 

[luka]

Lobbying is interesting in and of itself. I don't think the west has been tricked or manipulated into supporting Israel though

 

[luka]

There's that classic Twitter thing you see nowadays where people have the Union Jack, the Stars and Stripes and the Israel flag in their Twitter handle.

 

[version]

There's that classic Twitter thing you see nowadays where people have the Union Jack, the Stars and Stripes and the Israel flag in their Twitter handle.

Craner's Twitter's like that.

 

[luka]

Sort of like the flip side to all the Palestinian flags you see on any protest march. Barty told me about a street near where he lives where there are two houses facing each other, one with a big Israeli flag the other with a big Palestinian flag and all the appropriate posters in the respective Windows

 

[DannyL]

I did read yesterday that the guy who the article is about was a Leftist who protested against Bibi. I'll see if I can find the Tweet.

Here.

Same thread reminded Winstanley called Owen Jones a stooge of Israel.

 

[DannyL]

Which bit of the story are you skeptical of?

All of it. The slippage from intelligence analyst to spy in the headline.

Israel has military conscription so it seems fairly inevitable that if you hire Israelis they're going to have some with a military background.

 

[version]

An officer from a cyberwarfare unit is quite specific though, also Israeli conscription required three years of service when he was enlisted and he did just over four and a half.

 

[version]

If it isn't true and he didn't work for that unit then fair enough, but my feeling is we should take seriously that Labour may be hiring from military intelligence whilst acknowledging that some will try to spin it a certain way due to the particular military he allegedly worked for.

The response should be the same as if Labour were hiring from the CIA, FSB, GRU, NSA, GCHQ, MI5 or whoever else.

 

[DannyL]

Just saying - it has a specific resonance for some sections of the Left 'cos it's Israel. That's the only reason we're discussing this. That's why the story was written and went viral. And it buys into longstanding tropes about Israel being behind the scenes, pulling the strings.

I get what you're saying but my sense from looking at the job description - he's monitoring social media. Maybe he did this in an unpleasant way in his former role, and spied on Palestinians and has blood all over hands. Maybe that's not true at all. I don't know if there's evidence either way beyond the connection with the military, which you can't avoid as an Israeli 'cos of the draft.

No one seems to actually know anything about the guy bar the tweet I linked to above.

 

[version]

Yeah, which is why I'm saying it should be taken seriously whilst acknowledging some will try spin it a certain way because it's Israel they take issue with and not the intelligence agencies or the nature of the work.

 

[version]

I mean realistically we'll probably have forgotten about this story within a few weeks, if that, likely won't hear anything more and it's not like we have any influence over it anyway, but still...