Mr. Tea

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What Labour is up against, part 2:


Reminds me of when the Sun decided Ed Miliband was "posh" because he and his wife live in a house with two kitchens, while David Cameron, a collateral descendant of Queen Victoria, was PM.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Don't forget that Ed was bourgeois intelligentsia and Dave was Eton yob and the British class system works in subtle and mysterious ways.

"Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson (B.A. hons, Oxon.) is just the man to save this country from being ruined by THE ELITES."
 

john eden

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It was Ed's inauthenticity which was the issue - a problem that only seems to afflict middle class people.

We expect the Etonians to be liars who pretend to support footballs teams that they clearly don't.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Hamsptead lefties don't eat bacon sandwiches by choice, but Boris Johnson understands that taking the piss is the English lingua franca. And there, in a nutshell, is Labour's doom.
That's a very astute way of putting it.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
What Labour is up against, part 3:


Working-class northerner blames party that's not been in power for 11 years for how bad everything has got in the last 11 years.

BBC interviewer just nods along, of course.
 

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But it is the duty of oppositional parties to educate the public about what is happening. They have not done this.
Can it be done when most of the media is in the hands of the Tories? What are Labour's channels for reaching the millions of people who get their news from the BBC, Mail, Sun, Express, LBC, Sky, The Times etc?
 

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I don't see how you can educate the public about what's happening when huge swathes of them only get their information about what's happening from sources which are ideologically opposed to you.
 

john eden

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john eden

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I don't see how you can educate the public about what's happening when huge swathes of them only get their information about what's happening from sources which are ideologically opposed to you.
I mean that's bollocks, frankly. People get their information from all over the place and are not inert vessels that uncritically absorb whatever the loudest thing is.

It isn't impossible to educate the public, it just requires a level of tenacity and creativity that isn't available if you go down the centrist route of triangulating everything into swing seats and middle England.
 

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I mean that's bollocks, frankly. People get their information from all over the place and are not inert vessels that uncritically absorb whatever the loudest thing is.
And how much of the information all over the place supports Labour's politics? Seems the only stuff that speaks favourably of the left atm is relatively niche or specialist stuff that the average person's unlikely to have come into contact with or even have heard of.

Look at Corbyn. Where would people realistically go to hear something that wasn't hostile toward him?
 

john eden

male pale and stale
And how much of the information all over the place supports Labour's politics? Seems the only stuff that speaks favourably of the left atm is relatively niche or specialist stuff that the average person's unlikely to have come into contact with or even have heard of.
Well not much, is my point. Which makes you wonder, given they had (until recently) the largest membership base of any political party in Europe.
 

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Feels like the whole thing's rigged beyond repair at this point. You look at the voter ID laws coming in, how much of the media's controlled by Tories or people who when push comes to shove will side with the right over the left, the move to make it more difficult to take the government to court, the cracking down on protests, the kneecapping of the already kneecapped electoral commission, the supposed boundary changes, Scotland potentially leaving the union, Dacre potentially being in charge of Ofcom, the arrival of this new Fox News-style channel and God knows what else and I don't see how Labour have a chance of ever doing anything again.
 
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