IdleRich

IdleRich

Who is Dan Hodges? I notice that every day he has been relentlessly pursuing this story in forensic detail like a bloodhound that has picked up a scent and which will simply not allow anything to dissuade him from the anticipated kill. It's actually quite weird cos he seems to assume that everyone else in the world has also been doing literally nothing but ferociously study the minutiae of beergate for the last week or so.

His increasingly unhinged tweets say things like

"And how come Starmer's pint was still at 0.68 fullness at 22.15 if he ordered as he claimed at 21.48 (and 7 seconds) when the latest statistics on the average rate of beer consumption amongst males in his age bracket predict a fullness closer to 0.49 if his fairytale is true? Ludicrous!"

Today he makes a great point though..

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Our society is truly broken if we are going to accept that powerful people can simply not break the law - and get away with it!
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
No me either but I did notice the increaxsing frequency and intensity of these demented tweets which were cluttering up twitter
 

hucks

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He's deeply addicted to it like they all are
This is exactly it. You can see it happening to these people in real time.

I think years ago he did comms/ press for a trade union then worked w Ken Livingstone then found out that his criticism of Labour had an audience on the right and turned it into a Mail on Sunday column. A while back it was kind of - ‘a disappointed Labour centrist writes’ but now there’s no real pretence at that.
 

shakahislop

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I saw what's his name, Steve Hilton, shouting at the camera for a whole hour on Fox News the other day. Such a fascinating trajectory. And how weird it must be to be him, what is driving him and all of that. I had no idea he'd gone on to do TV.
 

version

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I dunno whether it's true - how can you tell with him? - but it was apparently Hunter Thompson who coined the term 'political junkie' and it seems about right.
 
Twitter is the perfect storm of it really isnt it- the constant echo chamber, ability to make you feel more important than you are, dopamine hit of likes & retweets

Its sad really but i am becoming more and more of a luddite these days
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
I love this....

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So like twenty thousand political commentators have been going "Starmer is a hypocrtite" "Starmer drank beer and ate curry" and then "So, let's see, will Starmer offer to resign if he gets fined? As if!" and then that slippery, evil bastard said "Yeah, of course, If I get fined then I will do the right thing and step down" - honestly is there no limit to this man's depravity, no depth to which he will not sink?".
 

hucks

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I find myself having to defend Starmer on here quite a lot and that's something I'l have to reflect on. But the idea that the parliamentary Tory party would have accepted a compromise with Jeremy Corbyn's labour party to avoid a hard Brexit is complete bullshit. They got rid of Teresa May cos her Brexit wasn't deranged enough, and one of the things that pushed her out was the mere fact she was talking to Labour. I can understand why Novara is what it is, and they copped, and still cop, loads of centrist abuse, but they dislike Starmer more than they dislike Johnson and it comes across in everything they do.
 

subvert47

I don't fight, I run away
I find myself having to defend Starmer on here quite a lot and that's something I'l have to reflect on. But the idea that the parliamentary Tory party would have accepted a compromise with Jeremy Corbyn's labour party to avoid a hard Brexit is complete bullshit. They got rid of Teresa May cos her Brexit wasn't deranged enough, and one of the things that pushed her out was the mere fact she was talking to Labour.

They didn't exactly get rid of May. She stood down because, with Labour voting against, not enough Tories supported her to get anything done. But if she'd made a compromise with Labour – which she should have done long before, instead of all the ridiculous red lines business – it would have gone through parliament even if half the Conservatives voted against it, and the ERG nutters could basically go fuck themselves.
 

hucks

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They didn't exactly get rid of May. She stood down because, with Labour voting against, not enough Tories supported her to get anything done. But if she'd made a compromise with Labour – which she should have done long before, instead of all the ridiculous red lines business – it would have gone through parliament even if half the Conservatives voted against it, and the ERG nutters could basically go fuck themselves.
So possibly if after she’d won she’d said- let’s get a whole house in favour of a deal- she might have seen off the ERG lunatics. But she didn’t and that’s on her, not Labour. It’s weird how people on the left tend to think that others on the left fucked up as if the right weren’t universally mendacious, malicious and, most importantly, in power.

The same goes for FBPE types who blame Corbyn for Brexit, as if he could have done anything about a 25 year long media campaign against the EU
 

john eden

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I think it's hard to remember how fractured how things were then.

There were pro-EU Tory remainers. A progressive alliance between them, the libdems, greens, SNP and Labour remainers etc for a soft Brexit was possible. There were votes in the House of Commons about it iirc.

At every juncture the polarised nature of the discussion meant that the remainers would not accept anything except remain and the moderate leavers got crowded out.
 

subvert47

I don't fight, I run away
So possibly if after she’d won she’d said- let’s get a whole house in favour of a deal- she might have seen off the ERG lunatics. But she didn’t and that’s on her, not Labour.

If a compromise deal was still possible and Starmer scuppered it, then it's also on him. As for the rest... what john just said.
 
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