DannyL

Wild Horses
It's a trap though. They want him to say something so they can start laying into him as Mr Human Rights Lefty Lawyer. Bit of conspiracy thinking for you but it almost feels like the whole thing is set up so they have a way to employ a wedge issue against him. I'm sure that was a part of the rationale in the first place, or at least an attractive benefit. That's why he's not being drawn. Others like Yvette Cooper (Shad home at the minute I think?) have said what a disgrace it is.

You can say it's fucking stupid to run for the highest office in the country and be frightened to let people know your opinions and I might agree with you but that's electoral politics in a time of culture wars for you.
 

shakahislop

Well-known member
It's a trap though. They want him to say something so they can start laying into him as Mr Human Rights Lefty Lawyer. Bit of conspiracy thinking for you but it almost feels like the whole thing is set up so they have a way to employ a wedge issue against him. I'm sure that was a part of the rationale in the first place, or at least an attractive benefit. That's why he's not being drawn. Others like Yvette Cooper (Shad home at the minute I think?) have said what a disgrace it is.

You can say it's fucking stupid to run for the highest office in the country and be frightened to let people know your opinions and I might agree with you but that's electoral politics in a time of culture wars for you.
obviously the ECHR stepping in at the last minute to stop the deportations is probably what they want as well. pretty good for a certain section of the electorate.
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
I don't want to defend him too much. Maybe he genuinely has a shit comms teams around him. Would be good if could articulate a position on this somehow that didn't just draw him into the same back and forth.
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
obviously the ECHR stepping in at the last minute to stop the deportations is probably what they want as well. pretty good for a certain section of the electorate.
Exactly. Another group of faceless Euro bureaucrats to get angry at. Brexit Mk 2.
I think it's unlikely they thought the plane would ever get off the ground but it ignites the culture war so well and good.
 

shakahislop

Well-known member
Exactly. Another group of faceless Euro bureaucrats to get angry at. Brexit Mk 2.
I think it's unlikely they thought the plane would ever get off the ground but it ignites the culture war so well and good.
i can't figure out if this thing where generating symbolism like this is one of the main electoral battlegrounds is a new thing, or if it's always been pretty much like this
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
Broad strokes but Thatcherism had defeat of the unions, mass privitisation.
Blair had "the third way". Cameron had austerity I guess.

I don't think the current lot have anything apart from power for it's own sake, it's a kind of paradox 'cos they don't want to do anything with it. I guess there was the Brexit agenda but that's disappearing or collapsing on contact with reality.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
I don't want to defend him too much. Maybe he genuinely has a shit comms teams around him. Would be good if could articulate a position on this somehow that didn't just draw him into the same back and forth.
He has criticised it but I couldn't find a quote where he just says "We would not do this."
 

subvert47

I don't fight, I run away
You can say it's fucking stupid to run for the highest office in the country and be frightened to let people know your opinions and I might agree with you but that's electoral politics in a time of culture wars for you.

The Tory media trashed Ed Miliband for eating a sandwich. The idea that saying nothing is somehow going to outwit them is fucking stupid.

I don't want to defend him too much. Maybe he genuinely has a shit comms teams around him. Would be good if could articulate a position on this somehow that didn't just draw him into the same back and forth.

Would be good if he could articulate a position on anything at all.
 

Slothrop

Tight but Polite
Aaaaand he's in the clear over Beergate.

Thoughts and prayers to all the swivel-eyed Tory true-believers who'd been clinging to the prospect of Starmer getting busted like a security blanket.
 

subvert47

I don't fight, I run away
pint.gif
 
  • Haha
Reactions: Leo

IdleRich

IdleRich
Aaaaand he's in the clear over Beergate.

Thoughts and prayers to all the swivel-eyed Tory true-believers who'd been clinging to the prospect of Starmer getting busted like a security blanket.
They're losing their shit. Claiming conspiracy and angry that he said he'd resigned even though at first it was what they wanted.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please

"The creatures outside looked from Skwarkbox to the Daily Mail, and from the Daily Mail to Skwarkbox, and from Skwarkbox back to the Daily Mail, but it was already impossible to say which was which."
 
Top