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catalog

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have you read this yet? what about @craner have you finished maximus yet?
i've not no.

i have the opportunity to get it today, and can also get the kenner.

i did see maximus the other day and the size put me off, i've already got the divine comedy staring me down.

out of the kenner and maximus, which is the one?
 

luka

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you have to read both. dont bother with dante its so boring you wont enjoy it. rubbish book.
 

Benny B

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i've not no.

i have the opportunity to get it today, and can also get the kenner.

i did see maximus the other day and the size put me off, i've already got the divine comedy staring me down.

out of the kenner and maximus, which is the one?
Fwiw, I just read some Olson poems for the first time, including a couple of the Maximus poems, Kingfishers and the projected verse essay in that New American poetry anthology Luka and Woops recommended me on here, and I've come away seriously impressed.
 

luka

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i sometimes hear my own voice doing this quavery acid-casualty thing. then i have to leap onto a more assertive frequency band.
you hear it on a lot of the killa kela interviews with old graffiti writers too
 

luka

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found in his1971 lecture on Olson’s Maximus IV V VI:
I mean, think of the extraordinary unlikelihood of what such a thing like
Stonehenge or Avebury were built to predict. They never thought they would
work. Oh, never. I mean, they were chance shots. Like, sooner or later it must
come round again, and it must come round again because it was wanted: and if it
was wanted, it would come. There is this immense controversy now about how
they knew over those immense periods of time that there were cyclic repetitions

in the movement of heavenly bodies. They didn’t know. They just wanted it.
That’s how it happened.
And the Olson poem also wants it. And if you read it, and if you hear it,
then you also want it. Then you can also have the particular condition of
transpiring through the noble arc, from the land to the shore, from the shore to
the sea, from the sea to the ocean, from the ocean to the void, from the void to
the horizonal curve, which is love. (“On Maximus IV V VI”
 

Benny B

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Maximus, to himself​

BY CHARLES OLSON
I have had to learn the simplest things
last. Which made for difficulties.
Even at sea I was slow, to get the hand out, or to cross
a wet deck.
The sea was not, finally, my trade.
But even my trade, at it, I stood estranged
from that which was most familiar. Was delayed,
and not content with the man’s argument
that such postponement
is now the nature of
obedience,
that we are all late
in a slow time,
that we grow up many
And the single
is not easily
known

It could be, though the sharpness (the achiote)
I note in others,
makes more sense
than my own distances. The agilities

they show daily
who do the world’s
businesses
And who do nature’s
as I have no sense
I have done either

I have made dialogues,
have discussed ancient texts,
have thrown what light I could, offered
what pleasures
doceat allows

But the known?
This, I have had to be given,
a life, love, and from one man
the world.
Tokens.
But sitting here
I look out as a wind
and water man, testing
And missing
some proof

I know the quarters
of the weather, where it comes from,
where it goes. But the stem of me,
this I took from their welcome,
or their rejection, of me

And my arrogance
was neither diminished
nor increased,
by the communication


2

It is undone business
I speak of, this morning,
with the sea
stretching out
from my feet
 

version

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It wasn't him and apparently it's not very good anyway. I suspect that was just a rumour someone started as a PR strategy as the only reason anyone seemed to talk about it was because they thought it might be Pynchon.
 
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