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Graphic designThe artwork's horrible.
also, it's come to my attention--between reading the lorenzo senni thread and rereading the autechre haters thread--that patty is somewhat ambivalent about their output in this millennium. he sees it as an honorable but ultimately failed experiment that hasn't stood the test of time. so he's neither a hater nor a fanboy, but rather an "enlighted centrist". i feel strongly that we should ban him for this, and i suspect you all agree with me.
pattycakes_
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Suck my nuuuuts
i take it you're not interested in discussing this further
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Putting Senni and the 'techre in the same box is a bit, idk, euro cuck?
well i agree, but you might not want to be saying that yourself...
i guess my feeling is that saying certain music has a shelf life, its value depends upon novelty, etc. is sort of just indirectly saying its bad music. like, people who are truly into it wouldn't say that, surely? so if that's your opinion, fair--but for me, since i like them, it's not a very satisfying assessment, in that it doesn't quite get to the bottom of things.
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I still stand by that post. It's about a broad spectrum of graphic design adjacent music which was what we were talking about on the board at that time. That era of autechre fits right in.
I disagree about indirectly calling it bad. It was cool to hear draft 7.30 few times. But after those listens I didn't get much out of it. Felt like a sonic exercise rather than something I'd want to keep a space for on my mental mantlepiece. Like: 'ah so the machines can do that, OK, cool, what's next?' Tate modern vibes. Rudimentary exploration. AI feeling out its environment. I studied sound design at uni, so from that perspective it's interesting. But maybe that's the crux of all of this, and the graphic design/modern architecture stuff we talked about, it's all a bit academic rather than straight up expression, or whatever the apt opposite word would be.
Just today I was thinking about how academising art seems to have a negative effect on it. Jazz for example. Total academic artform now. The schools lock people in the 50s. You go to jazz jam sessions and they're playing 70% standards, over half a century old. There's something about coming at art from that angle that just doesn't appeal to me. And this isn't the same as listening to old music, which is 95% of what I listen to. It's about the cold, analytical, deconstruction approach. As has been said plenty of times on this board before - burn the schools.
Most IDM has not aged well at all, imo. But it's the stuff with the grooves & hooks that will last, imo. I don't think that era autechre will stand the test of time. In fact I think for a lot of people who were heavily into it when it came out, that phase has now passed. A museum piece to look back on. Glitch was huge there for a good decade or so, but it's a novelty. Those kinds of things have a finite amount of time they can stay compelling.
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again, if i heard their music the way you do, i would call it bad. like, i was thinking a while ago that “dear larry” from your soundcloud was particularly great, bc of how it channels all the stuff you talk about regarding depth and soul. but what if i said about it something like “i think this is a cool sonic exercise, but it’s rudimentary exploration, it’s academic and unexpressive, and i don’t want to think about it ever again”—you probably wouldn’t be too flattered, i’d imagine!
the bigger point is: i think that kind of interpretation is not really hearing in the music what a lot of the people who love it hear. which makes sense, cause with ae even people who know their shit (like you) need tons of listens to get oriented, and that investment is obviously not going to be worth it for everyone. but saying you don’t like it because there’s nothing to like (besides technically impressive sound design or whatever) just doesn’t sit right with me.
the bigger point is: i think that kind of interpretation is not really hearing in the music what a lot of the people who love it hear. which makes sense, cause with ae even people who know their shit (like you) need tons of listens to get oriented, and that investment is obviously not going to be worth it for everyone. but saying you don’t like it because there’s nothing to like (besides technically impressive sound design or whatever) just doesn’t sit right with me.
in general i don’t think the creator’s word dictates how you should feel about their work, but a lot of you guys have such weird interpretations (to me) of what autecher’s intentions are that maybe in this case its best to let the boys speak for themselves...
on dance music / groove:
but yeah, i guess that last point is the reason i always get into these discussions. it applies to all kinds of stuff, autechre are just an interesting case study.
on dance music / groove:
on emotions in their music:
on the humanity of their music:
on their music making goals:
on other people’s perception of their music:
but yeah, i guess that last point is the reason i always get into these discussions. it applies to all kinds of stuff, autechre are just an interesting case study.
pattycakes_
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If you really care about draft 7.30 era autechre then don't give a fuck what an old enlightened centrist like me has to say, dude. Let it be known that I love loads of their work, especially the 90s stuff, but also some 00s and 10s, too. Haven't spent a whole lot of time on the newer stuff from around oversteps onwards when they had that revival of sorts. Here's my little autechre folder
See? Not a hater.
But I promise you I don't see it as bad. There's a difference between not liking something and not connecting with it. D7.30 is just not what I want from music. But that doesn't take away from the talent and skill it took to make which is impossible to ignore. Gimme uviol or liccflii, where there's still some semblance of a groove over 7.30 any day. I've had amazing times dancing or monging to stuff like those two.
Now now, mvu!
Man, you could totally say that if that's how you feel. To be honest, I feel like a lot of music I've made has been very rudimentary in that I was trying to capture the vibe and texture of the types of music I like. That particular track was obvs a homage to Mr Heard and an attempt to channel his energy. I think it hit the mark, but as a tune it is a bit monotonous which is something I'm working on avoiding at the moment.
7.30 is never going to grow on me, dude. Soz
See? Not a hater.
But I promise you I don't see it as bad. There's a difference between not liking something and not connecting with it. D7.30 is just not what I want from music. But that doesn't take away from the talent and skill it took to make which is impossible to ignore. Gimme uviol or liccflii, where there's still some semblance of a groove over 7.30 any day. I've had amazing times dancing or monging to stuff like those two.
Now now, mvu!
Man, you could totally say that if that's how you feel. To be honest, I feel like a lot of music I've made has been very rudimentary in that I was trying to capture the vibe and texture of the types of music I like. That particular track was obvs a homage to Mr Heard and an attempt to channel his energy. I think it hit the mark, but as a tune it is a bit monotonous which is something I'm working on avoiding at the moment.7.30 is never going to grow on me, dude. Soz