Cancellations

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
White people have abandoned any pretence of legitimacy as leaders, and by being the only group to rise up against the obvious tryranny, BLM have claimed the title. The whites should releinquish power for say 400 years to even things out
you're not the only person I've seen make this statement, and with due respect, it's not just unhelpful but I think counterproductive

the legitimacy thing partially has validity - certainly I don't want to undermine the self-determination of black people in their own liberation (long history there), nor do white allies have the greatest track record

otoh the relinquishing power bit is bad. no one group should be in power. black people in power would (and have, where they've had it) made just much a hash of it as anyone else. I'm aware it's not really a serious suggestion, but it is exactly the kind of thing that gives ammunition to right-wing fantasies going back to Reconstruction at least.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
I was thinking that (this is obvious really) if you're on the right already you can't be cancelled, can you?
for social ostracism to work target has to care within some degree about the same things as the people doing the cancelling, so yes

@sufi I still don't agree cancellation is a good tactic, so in that case I'll bow out of this particular thread
 

version

Who loves ya, baby?
Or are the right cancelling people too?
Yes. They accuse people of being too liberal all the time. A load of Republicans get called RINO (Republican In Name Only) and told to get out of the party by the Trump supporters. There are also women and minorities who get torrents of abuse or even chased out for being women or minorities, e.g. the women of the alt-right movement.
 

version

Who loves ya, baby?
It doesn't really mean anything because most people forget about it within weeks, but it basically means no longer engaging with them in any way and hoping that sentiment extends to their employers etc so they lose their platform and audience.
 
I think it started off like cancelling a subscription to the fan club. This person is not one of us, not virtuous, you can't like this and be woke. So it's about the audience values no longer aligning with the cancelled. So yeah, it doesn't work for Trump, Boris etc because their values never aligned with the cancellers.
 

entertainment

Well-known member
I think it started with performances, talks and exhibitions by problematic people being cancelled because of pressure from mass complaints. Then no other venues or museums would book those people so they were effectively cancelled from every platform.
 

sufi

lala
you're not the only person I've seen make this statement, and with due respect, it's not just unhelpful but I think counterproductive

the legitimacy thing partially has validity - certainly I don't want to undermine the self-determination of black people in their own liberation (long history there), nor do white allies have the greatest track record

otoh the relinquishing power bit is bad. no one group should be in power. black people in power would (and have, where they've had it) made just much a hash of it as anyone else. I'm aware it's not really a serious suggestion, but it is exactly the kind of thing that gives ammunition to right-wing fantasies going back to Reconstruction at least.
https://twitter.com/search?q="My Prime Minister"&src=trend_click :)
 

luka

Well-known member
Staff member
He's not gone gone is he? I like him. Smart, good taste, cared and put effort in
it's easy to get him back we just have to start having interesting energised conversations. then the place becomes irresistable. if its low energy then no one gets sucked into the vortex. like you say the crucial thing is people that care and make an effort. you get out what you put in like your primary school teacher told you
 

Corpsey

call me big papa
This place has a boom-bust cycle going on.

Right now we're at the foot of another glorious peak — at the top of which is an unexploded nuke.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
The English "provocateur" guy with a Greek name who went round giving talks at US unis to piss people off and wrote a shit book.... he basically got cancelled by the right when he said paedophilia was ok didn't he? Basically that was the end of him as any kind of cultural force as far as I could tell.
 

luka

Well-known member
Staff member
it was the pedo thing that got him though wasnt it? cos that is what cost him his wealthy backers. a lot of these characters are really just toy soldiers with big money behind them
 

droid

Beast of Burden
He was screwed before that as he lost a shitload of money cos colleges kept cancelling his speaking engagements due to protests. The pedo thing was him ramping up the provocation to try and get more attention and it backfired.
 

version

Who loves ya, baby?
I think some of them were looking for a way to ditch him anyway as they were never really comfortable being associated with a gay Jewish guy.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
He got kicked off twitter and so on didn't he and now he's been online moaning about how he can't make enough money to keep him in champagne and so on... I can't get too upset about it. Even if he IS the victim of prejudice I don't feel too bad cos he's done so much to stir that up.
Someone who was on dissensus used to work for him ages ago... before he became famous I guess. Said he wasn't too bad as a boss or even as a person for what that's worth.
 
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