Cancellations

IdleRich

IdleRich
It strikes me as more "everything I dislike or disagree with is fake" than everyone thinking everything's fake.
I think what you just said there describes the situation as it is, but that thing about recognising that politics is like wrestling describes a different situation quite neatly.
 

kumar

Well-known member
its great when someone who did something brilliant is a complete cunt because you never get intimidated by them
What do you mean?
just gives you some breathing space to go, well fair play you've written a masterpiece which dwarfs any accomplishment i may hope to achieve in my pitiful life, but at least i send a mothers day card every year, thats the real work
 

craner

Beast of Burden
Sometimes I used to get upset with Craner cos his politics obviously are a big part of his identity
I'm not sure that is true anymore, so it is a good job you didn't cancel me.

I also look in horror at the post-K-Punk cliques and the political gangs they've join with the constant round of denunciations, purity-monitoring and weird appropriation of other people's ancient history.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
I'm personally flattered to mentioned next to Lovecraft and Conrad. But seriously, get the fuck over yourself, sufi, there's a sweetie.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Still, kind of funny to be called "racist" by the board's resident recreational Orientalist, I suppose.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Luka and barty, who would never go to a gay club for fear of "getting bummed", are still members in good standing.
 

sufi

lala
Still, kind of funny to be called "racist" by the board's resident recreational Orientalist, I suppose.
i think race-baiting is more accurate tbh, but it comes to the same, and for the record (read the post again), it's not your being "a racist" but your racism that i called out - when you drew equivalence between white supremacy and black power movements that was too much for me

& i understand it's unintended, but especially combined with big-headed refusal to acknowledge or apologise, it needs to be called out imho & much as I'd like to say it's water under the bridge i don't think you have changed at all

So, maybe you noticed i've completely avoided you on the board since droid separated us on that horrible argument, but i'm not really happy with that approach, so i thought maybe it's time to clear the air.

i know you love to make threads all about you, this one wasnt supposed to be, you're just another example of a chump with bad behaviour.
 

luka

Well-known member
Staff member
Luka and barty, who would never go to a gay club for fear of "getting bummed", are still members in good standing.
Lmao you literally made the bumming joke first you joker! :crylarf::crylarf::crylarf:
 

sufi

lala
and what if the mob is all we have?

The only way to deliver retrospective justice upon embedded wrongness,

If you consider the difficulties with our political structures and their impunity we are short on options,
 

version

Who loves ya, baby?
The mob also acts as cover for people guilty of the same indiscretions. Also the mob can get it very wrong.
 

sufi

lala
most of those examples were high status - "the mob" took them down,
the definition of the mob being some sort of human/media zeitgeist cyborg i suppose
we need to steer that powerful beast
 

entertainment

Well-known member
No way this cancel thing could ever thrive outside of such a deeply neoliberal society where art is indistinguishable to entertainment. Disposable, tainted goods, cancel it, on to the next thing.

The ontological assumptions on art at work here are a bit Freudian. The notion that art is the expression of some psychological pathology of the artist. That all interpretaions of art are analysis of the artists' subconscious life. Art is part of the artist made visible, expressed in creative form.

Jung had an opposite view. Art can be an autonomous complex, a world in itself, created by workings of the collective unconscious channelled through the artist. He thought Freud's approach was stripping the artwork of its essential nature - the only thing that makes art interesting in the first place:

"The golden gleam of artistic creation - the original object of discussion - is extinguished as soon as we apply to it the same corrosive method which we use in analysing the fantasies of hysteria. The results are no doubt very interesting and may perhaps have the same kind of scientific value as , for instance, a post-mortem examination of the brain of Nietzsche, which might conceivably show us the particular atypical form of paralysis from which he died. But what would this have to do with Zarathustra?

I tend to fall somewhere in the middle. I dont think that art can't be seperated completely from the artist, as some spirit passing through your body as a means of creative manifestation. But people are complex, they're not one thing. The Miles Davis who played trumpet like that is not the same Miles Davis that beat his wife.
 
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