Cancellations

[padraig (u.s.)]

those still aren't punching up tho

tho I think Gamergate people see themselves as punching up - at "gaming journalism", feminism, political correctness, etc

based on misconception on what those things are and how much power they hold

you could say the same thing about the more toxic parts of reddit, 4chan, etc

people (men) who feel like they're disenfranchised, punching up at whatever forces are disenfranchising them

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

I'm pretty sure most hardline Trump supporters think they're punching up - that's what they elected him for

the bad kind of populism. and he is absolutely a demagogue in the very worst sense.

I guess this hasn't gotten us any closer to discussing how to productively harness the protest energy

 

[luka]

its like street fighting isn't it. We like the ones on our side. Jews at Cable Street are great, Mosley's boys we're not so into. This is just the new street fighting. Trying to control the space. Trying to intimidate the opposition.

 

[Mr. Tea]

well that's the problem with groups isn't it. There's always going to be people you don't like.

I actually like you, believe it or not, when you're engaging in a way that doesn't revolve around awarding yourself points and then doing a victory lap of your living room in your underpants.

 

[luka]

Tea! i just laughed at one funny thing you said! I HAD TO LAUGH. it was the funniest thing ive ever read. im sorry.

 

[version]

Johnny Depp comes to mind re: The Mob. He was ripped to pieces for years then it turned out he was actually the victim and everyone reversed their position and went after Amber Heard.

 

[version]

I guess he could have done something back, but apparently he has something like eighty witnesses, CCTV footage etc of her attacking him and all sorts. There's also a recording of one of their counseling sessions and she's gaslighting him the whole time, trying to make him take a xanax and says stuff like "I didn't punch you... I hit you" and "Go on. Go and tell everyone that I, Johnny Depp, am a victim. Nobody will ever believe you".

 

[catalog]

The woody allen thing is interesting, i ended up reading a long blog post by one of the kids on his side, moses i think? I mean, it was pretty convincing for me in his favour. Im not a particularly big fan of his so it doesnt bother me so much either way, but you do feel hes being punished for what he did with farrows adopted daughter rather than anything else

 

[you]

Straying close asking this in the 'Reading' thread. Concerning degrees of representations in fiction.

A lot of UK comedy has been removed. I think this is right - if a broadcasting organisation wants to (at very least appear to viewers) as actively inclusive surely flagship, splash-page, TV should not contain shallow representations by the most privileged minority trading in naff impersonations and stereotypes of under-represented groups.

Little Britain. David Walliam's representations/impressions are not good. Even, his 'Computer says no.' Is essentially a classist piss take of a tired bank worker. Lucas' 'Only Gay in the Village' might be given a little excuse (because of Lucas' sexuality) but add in the sharp class contrast - I'm not so sure it's any better. And that's before their representations of the differently abled are even touched on... (the same can be said for Ruth Jones' character in Nighty Night).

Gavin & Stacey is not without issues. One could make a defense of 'Chinese Alan' as a joke about small town casual racism being the butt of the joke (much like Walliam's 'Black Friends' sketch on Little Britain), but this is not good enough... what distinguishes this from the Clarksonesque 'its only a joke' mode of casual prejudice and bigotry? The fishing trip joke (a very weak leitmotif): what made this funny other than the school-boy snigger of a suspected/heavily hinted gay experience?

Enfield. Enfield and chums was merely a string of piss taking impressions. if HE wasn't hamming it up with a cliche or stereotype then what was he doing? Class, regional accents, 'foreigners' (Scorchio!), the dumb-rich, the lazy-poor, the camp, homophobic-dads, grumpy teenagers. Enfield's comedy was behind the times even then, perhaps much closer to his own object of ridicule in 'Women: Know Your Limits' than HE'd care to admit.

 

[luka]

and 'we' (whatever that means here) have always chucked a load of old comedy in the bin. its nothing new. no one is capaigning to have aint half hot mum or alf garnet back on telly.

telly is a bully pulpit (using that phrase to mean what it sounds like rather than what it originally meant) and that sometimes becomes painfully obvious. for example in the case of pineapple head jason lee.

 

[catalog]

Used to love fantasy football league, but yeah, it got a bit harsh. Such weird telly

 

[craner]

I've been campaigning to get Mock the Week off our screens for years. Perhaps the end is finally in sight.

 

[luka]

ive been campaigning to put a stop for comedy for years. i cant stand it. this is all good news for me.

 

[craner]

I wish somebody would build a statue of Dylan Moran just so that Luke and I could rip it down and dump it in the marina.

 

[craner]

It also reminds me of K-Punk's jihad against Borat.

 

[luka]

the way he went on and on about it made me decide it was going to be my favourite film ever

 

[luka]

The ambition of Curry and Chips was purportedly to highlight discrimination, rather than promote it. The Independent Television Authority disagreed, and Curry and Chips was cancelled by them after only six episodes. Speight himself later remarked, "It was the English who were made to look bigoted in the show but the people at the ITA couldn't understand that. It was London Weekend Television's first year, but only six shows went out. The ITA made LWT take it off, saying it was racist."[4] They were not alone, as amongst those who originally complained about the show were the Race Relations Board.[5]

Screenonline says of the show, "though it again attempted to raise important questions, [it] lacked a strong enough voice to challenge the racist attitudes of its characters, and too much of its humour relied on the use of crude racial abuse and Milligan's caricatured performance as the charmlessly-nicknamed 'Paki Paddy'. The shocked reaction from some viewers and cultural commentators led to the show being dropped by ITV after just six episodes, and in retrospect it is hard to understand how Speight and LWT can have failed to anticipate the offence it caused."[6]

 

[craner]

He compared Borat to Peter Sellers doing an impression of an Indian man in The Party. It was the original Dissensus culture war.

 

[you]

telly is a bully pulpit (using that phrase to mean what it sounds like rather than what it originally meant)

Doesn't mainstream comedy operate as both a pit of bullying AND a conspicuous platform to promote (insidiously or clumsily) 'normal'?... i.e in Enfield's case - if you ain't home counties white anonyman born into media then you're fair game for mocking impressions.

 

[Corpsey]

It's interesting how comedy, when dramatised, doesn't easily coexist with nuanced, realistic portrayals of people, in all their complexity.

Thinking of the beginning of Hard Times, here. It's all larger-than-life cartoon characters with comical names, and vices taken to the extreme. Not characters but (as someone wrote of Dickens's characters) 'humours'.