luka

Well-known member
One funny side effect of canellations is that they propel the cancelled into a kind of parallel universe where they can continue their work but with a completely new audience.
 

john eden

male pale and stale
LOL. I didn't "cancel" Nina nor do I have the power to do so.

Last time I checked she was still getting lecturing gigs and had a book coming out.

She has been paid, this week, to write for the Daily Telegraph about cancel culture, in fact.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
John cancelled Nina, but it was more in sorrow than in anger.
To be honest I probably weakened my argument by mentioning Nina. I mean, whatever her true feelings about "pan-Turkic far-right paramilitary groups", having anything to do with Daniel Miller by that point surely spelled career suicide.
 

john eden

male pale and stale
I am saddened by her trajectory though, yes.

In the grand scheme of things I am more saddened by people who have lost their jobs because of union organising or because of the general viciousness of the system.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
Having been cancelled is the seal of approval you need. Then you can start writing for the spectator. It's like in defecting and denouncing the Soviet Union you instantly became valuable to the United States

You will always find a place, even if it is on Taki’s Magazine.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
LOL. I didn't "cancel" Nina nor do I have the power to do so.

Last time I checked she was still getting lecturing gigs and had a book coming out.

She has been paid, this week, to write for the Daily Telegraph about cancel culture, in fact.

It was only a mischievous joke, John. Sorry.
 

john eden

male pale and stale

Here is Class War member Andy Murphy on the news after the poll tax riot describing the rioters as heroes.

There was an attempt to sack him from his job at Hackney Council but this was unsuccessful.

I honestly don't know what would happen with that now. Certainly Ian Bone has been clear that they probably wouldn't get away with publishing the stuff they did then now.
 

sufi

lala
Yeah Nina is not banned or cancelled from here and is welcome as far as i'm concerned. Her issues were not only about the video, it was about her weird response to the allegations too, as far as i understand. Just wanted to make that clear.
 

luka

Well-known member
The trans vs rad fem split is the major driver for all this at the moment. Dissensus had this played out in the form of Benny B vs Subvert 47 relatively early on although it remained fairly civil and no cancellations were made, as far as I can remember.
 

comelately

Wild Horses
In a way it makes sense for almost everyone to get cancelled sooner rather than later - Sa Ta Na Ma and all that.

How is everyone going to be famous for 15 minutes now that noone goes 'down the dumper' to use a much missed phrase from my Smash Hits reading pre-teens? People need to be fucked off, and cancel culture is one way to do that.
 

luka

Well-known member
It's true that there needs to be a far faster turn over of talent. The way these tyrannical old walruses cling to their rocks is truly grotesque. 15 minutes is a good rule, then back in the soup with everyone else.
 
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entertainment

Well-known member
The trans vs rad fem split is the major driver for all this at the moment. Dissensus had this played out in the form of Benny B vs Subvert 47 relatively early on although it remained fairly civil and no cancellations were made, as far as I can remember.

It's so ridiculous that one. Good example of how this monomaniacal fixation on theory and language pulls minor rifts into unbridgable gaps.

Two camps who in the grand scheme of things are way more allies than enemies, propped op against each other in a neverending battle for the one and only absolute correct consciousness.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
Yeah Nina is not banned or cancelled from here and is welcome as far as i'm concerned. Her issues were not only about the video, it was about her weird response to the allegations too, as far as i understand. Just wanted to make that clear.

To all lawyers reading: it was a joke!
 

comelately

Wild Horses
I should at this time point out that my recent essay is somewhat of a philosophical defence of cancel culture, albeit a defence against 'free speech absolutism' rather than me making a positive case for it. Yes Nina Power is name dropped!

I will probably reversion it in a couple of weeks as a longer, more free-standing piece but for now -
 

entertainment

Well-known member
I should at this time point out that my recent essay is somewhat of a philosophical defence of cancel culture, albeit a defence against 'free speech absolutism' rather than me making a positive case for it. Yes Nina Power is name dropped!

I will probably reversion it in a couple of weeks as a longer, more free-standing piece but for now -

I will try to read it after work but right off the bat, I'm wary of any philosophical treatments of 'culture'. Don't see how you can do that without abstracting away what it's really about.
 
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