comelately

Wild Horses
Perhaps, I mean if anything I am taking an anti-philosophical position by swatting away the notion that there is a moral principle that says we can't shut ppl the fuck up cos muh moral agency.

So yes, basically agreed.
 

sufi

lala
Cancel culture is pure malice and misogyny dressed as virtue
Nina Power 14 July 2020 • 3:53pm

5-6 minutes


There are some things that matter more than politics – friendship and family foremost among them. The ties and history we have with people we know from growing up have a meaning and a depth that cannot, nor should be, easily shaken off. Our families and friends are a huge part of who we are: we should therefore be extremely wary of anyone – individual or group – that tries, for whatever reason, to convince us to sever these bonds.
But what about love? In matters of the heart, things, as always, are more tempestuous. Can two people who disagree on fundamental matters – religion, politics, best garden birds – nevertheless reach a higher admiration for each other on the basis of character or soul? Undoubtedly! It would be an incredibly sad, and quiet, world if love required total agreement.
But because we live in a suspicious and deeply infantile age, who someone adores is naturally a matter of public judgement. Actress Jodie Comer, who previously pledged allegiance to the rainbow, has been cancelled for possibly going out with a man who might supports Trump. Any bloke who gets to go out with someone so lovely as Comer is frankly sublimely lucky more than anything, but still, Comer’s romantic life has generated an unattractive hashtag, #JodieComerIsOverParty, so it must be serious.
Let us note, in passing, that Brooklyn Beckham’s announcement yesterday of his forthcoming marriage to Nicola Peltz, whose father is a top Trump supporter, has not been met with similar calls for the lad to be stopped from doing whatever it is he does. Beckham, idolised by a fanbase as similarly young and woke as Comer’s, has, predictably, kept his reputation pristine.
But this asymmetrical treatment of Comer and Beckham arguably points to something deeper: women are judged far more for the men they love than men are for the women that they do. But why? Once society collectively agreed that women of a certain age (and property-less men) were equal participants in the discussion of how things should be run, it would have been foolhardy to imagine that things would proceed as they always had done.
A heterosocial world – a world in which men and women of all backgrounds mix in public life, in employment, on the streets, romantically and in conversation – was never going to be a world in which everyone agreed. Women’s recent mass entry into public life, into politics, into the arts and culture, remains, for all its successes, deeply fraught. Let us not forget that the first female Member of Parliament to take her seat in the UK did so only just over a hundred years ago.
Too many men across the political spectrum today seem to think that women are just there to nod along with them, and if they don’t, they should be shunned and expelled from public life. Thus, the Labour Party has, over recent years, purged many women who refuse to simply accept the idea that a woman is anyone who says they are one.
The Green Party met similar resistance a few years ago to its idea that ‘non-men’ would be a good replacement term for ‘women’, and Beatrix Campbell’s very recent account of her time in the party, and her reasons for leaving, makes for extraordinarily harrowing reading. It is interesting to think about whether JK Rowling's expulsion from the mainstream on account of her views around trans people would have been less explosive, vitriolic and personal had she been male.
[Read more: Jodie Comer’s cancellation is no fairer than the Salem Witch Trials]
People have always ‘fallen out’, yet in recent years people seem to have not only burnt, but nuked, bridges, on the basis of disagreement over, amongst other things, Brexit, Trump, the meaning of sex and gender, and how to live with the virus. We will inevitably disagree with various of the decisions, thoughts and behaviours of our friends and family, and they with us: sometimes these breaks are irreparable. Sometimes we understand each other even if we disagree.
It’s necessary to note that it is not only men doing the expelling and punishing, whether in matters of private or public life. Some women have attacked Comer, while others have defended her right to hang out whoever she wants to, and others pointed out that it’s insanely sexist to judge a woman by her beau. Several of the people attempting to lose women work for wrongthink have been other women. The same goes for Rowling.
Women disagree with each other all the time. It would be too easy to say that these women are suffering from internalised misogyny. There are profound disagreements at the heart of public life, and divergences regarding how we should treat each other, that do not easily fall across sexed lines.
But we have to talk, all the while maintaining extra-political loyalties to friends and family, without fear of losing employment and being socially ostracised by each other. We cannot perhaps help who we fall in love with. But we – rich or poor, famous or unknown – shouldn’t be punished for it. It’s too important a thing for that.
 

sufi

lala
telegraph.co.uk

JK Rowling’s treatment is a grim sign of how Twitter mobs have poisoned our cultural life
Nina Power 8 July 2020 • 11:20am

7-9 minutes

In philosophy, there’s an idea called the “principle of charity”. Whatever the topic under discussion, you grant your interlocutor the same credit you give yourself. You accept the strongest possible version of their argument, and you imagine they have good reasons for why they’re making their claim. And then you talk about it.
Public life today seems, on the other hand, to be governed by a principle, or perhaps an anti-principle, of meanness. Whatever the topic, and no matter how careful and patient you’ve been, and how you got there, someone will come along and accuse you of being motivated by the basest and most vicious sentiments available to man: hatred, intolerance, even murderous desires.
Recently, in the arts world, we have been treated to the unedifying spectacle of the writer JK Rowling being accused of wanting to hurt trans people and, in the last couple of days, of “harmfully” criticising the over-use of opposite-sex hormones by making a parallel with the over-prescription of anti-depressants.
I, and many others I’m sure, happen to agree with Rowling – non-invasive ways (talking, getting fit, acceptance) of addressing unhappiness of body and mind are always preferable to medicalisation, not least because the side-effects of prescription drugs are often unknown. But whether you agree with Rowling or not is not the point. She has, by any understanding of the principle of charity, been painfully clear and careful in the way she has outlined her thoughts. She gave reasons. A discussion should be possible.
But many of her attackers, of course, do not care for a dialogue – they just want her to shut up. Having accused Rowling of harbouring malicious feeling, they declare open season on her, frequently exhibiting the murderous rage and intolerance that they unjustly ascribe to her. Everyone should get wise to this tactic. Over the past few years, many people on the cultural scene have lost work and friends for not toeing the line – whatever the line is supposed to be that week. The four-letter word – “Nazi”, “TERF”, “hate” – a kind of debased magic spell, is supposed to tell you everything you need to know about who to punish.
How did it come to this? Where is the principle of charity today? How have our cultural, artistic and intellectual institutions become so pathetic that they no-platform invited speakers, or pull shows, or distance themselves from artists and thinkers because a few ‘activists’ send some malevolent tweets, or emails, or threaten to protest?
There are, depressingly, many recent examples from which to choose. Any woman accused of holding views inimical to the current definition of gender will likely see themselves embroiled in attempts to no-platform them. Rachel Ara, due to give a lecture at Oxford Brookes on making large-scale artworks on a budget, had her talk cancelled and then postponed for the crime of liking a couple of gender-critical tweets. Nina Edge, a part-time lecturer at Liverpool John Moores University Art School, was hounded for raising concerns on Twitter about predatory men identifying as women in prisons.
I myself have been cancelled quite a few times now, had a fellow co-panellist refuse even to look at me or listen to my talk (after she tried to get me banned from the event, much to the bemusement of the organisers). I’ve been picketed and had one institution decide to pay for security guards to protect me. I’ve had former friends write untrue and horrendous things about me in public in an attempt to smear me – and all for suggesting on Facebook that the Labour Party might have a problem with women raising questions about proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act, and for refusing to accept the terms of a small number of people regarding who we can and can’t talk to. When you ask to talk to your cancellers face-to-face, they always, of course, refuse.
It appears to me that contemporary culture is screwed, and not only by the virus. After plagues, there are often periods of great artistic flourishing. Perhaps we’re on the cusp of this, but it’s not going to come from these cowardly institutions, more concerned to avoid bad publicity than they are in understanding the world.
For all of the bewildering and occult dimensions of present-day life, it is possible to get some idea of what’s going on. In 2017, a curious incident in the London art world set the tone for 2020’s apotheosis of cancelling. LD50, a small Hackney gallery, came under serious attack by “antifascists” after its director, Lucia Diego, was deemed to be unforgivably equivocal about Donald Trump in a private message to an artist. The message was publicly leaked and the gallery came under the paranoid and forensic eye of various self-described “antifascists” – furious, no doubt, at Trump having assumed the Presidency a month earlier in an election in which they could not possibly have voted.
LD50, as befitting a contemporary art gallery with a role and interest in the vicissitudes of contemporary visual life, was then hosting a show about memes, whose role in the US election and in internet culture more broadly, was (and is) a matter of great interest to many, and the gallery had hosted a discussion on “Neo-Reaction” – a relatively obscure trend in contemporary thought. Because of Diego’s apparent dissent – how dare she not hate Trump as much as we do! – not only was it felt ethical to publish her private messages, but a small group called Shut Down LD50, decided to attack the gallery itself, which had now become in the minds of its attackers, a “Nazi gallery”.
In late February of that year, a protest was called outside the gallery. Apparently unconvinced by the idea that it was possible to see a show, and criticise it in whatever way you might like, the protesters had determined that prohibiting the gallery from continuing to exist was the only way to proceed. The history of authoritarian regimes – both left and right – engaging in prohibition, censorship and punishment for expression and dissidence somehow forgotten, an angry group of people shouted at the shuttered exhibition.
Just one person, writer DC Miller, someone I am honoured to call my friend, staged a counter-protest, standing against the crowd holding a little sign reading “The Right to Openly Discuss Ideas Must Be Defended”. (You can read his detailed account of the madness here.) Miller was in turn, with depressing predictability, himself falsely accused of holding fascist ideas. And so it goes – anyone who stands up is supernaturally contaminated, even when the very thing they are defending – freedom of expression, thought, association – is the very opposite of the reality of the authoritarian regimes whose name gets hurled at us.
The LD50 shutdown set the tone for the subsequent crisis in cultural life, one that sees not only famous authors such as Rowling but people who’re far less visible being punished for refusing to submit to the tyranny of unthought, unfreedom and the vicious punishment of free expression. It’s often the same people, and the same tactics used every time.
Bravery is in short supply, and many people have a lot to lose: but how much more we will have lost when we can all no longer think, and feel, at all. Charity begins at home – that is to say, by being fair, first and foremost, to your own mind. What do you think?
 

Leo

Well-known member
@sufi i hope you didn’t contaminate that delicious hashish with rancid tobacco. Tobacco should be cancelled.

I'd never heard of doing that until I hung out with someone in Barcelona, who only smoked it sprinkled into rolled tobacco. claimed it was smoother on yr throat but good hash is pretty mild. we used to just put a chunk into a pipe and toke away.
 

luka

Well-known member
it has to be the strongest skunk on the market and it has to be mixed with between a quarter to a half of a Benson gold cigarette
 
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WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
it has to be the strongest skunk on the market and it has to be mixed with between a quarter and a half of a Benson gold cigarette

preferably an eighth of soapbar cooked up in a pan with 3 John Player Special, then bonged until whitey room spins.

anyway...,
 

sufi

lala
i enjoyed breaching their puny paywall, the articles not so much,
but i thought i'd post em seeing as we were talking about Nina and she's on the topic,
they are about as connvincing as your man Jon Ronson's TED talk :ROFLMAO:
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
One funny side effect of canellations is that they propel the cancelled into a kind of parallel universe where they can continue their work but with a completely new audience.
That's what happened with Louis CK isn't it? Without missing a beat he became a far right comedian over night cos he got busted for continually wanking at women down the phone (Sarah Silverman didn't mind though).
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Let us note, in passing, that Brooklyn Beckham’s announcement yesterday of his forthcoming marriage to Nicola Peltz, whose father is a top Trump supporter, has not been met with similar calls for the lad to be stopped from doing whatever it is he does.
Does he do anything? Doing nothing is a good defence against being cancelled in fact.
 
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