Mr. Tea

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Does barty have any black friends? Like close ones, who he might go to their house or whatever?
Barty is spiritually Jamaican, so you can't give him too much of a hard time for the homophobia. It's an intrinsic part of his intangible cultural heritage.
 

thirdform

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We don't do Marxism round here. It's boring.

nah, jesus freaks are.

Even Nietzsche said as much.

What we have today reconquered, with unspeakable self-discipline, for ourselves--for certain bad instincts, certain Christian instincts, still lurk in our bodies--that is to say, the keen eye for reality, the cautious hand, patience and seriousness in the smallest things, the whole integrity of knowledge--all these things were already there, and had been there for two thousand years! More, there was also a refined and excellent tact and taste! Not as mere brain-drilling! Not as "German" culture, with its loutish manners! But as body, as bearing, as instinct--in short, as reality.... All gone for naught! Overnight it became merely a memory!--The Greeks! The Romans! Instinctive nobility, taste, methodical inquiry, genius for organization and administration, faith in and the will to secure the future of man, a great yes to everything entering into the imperium Romanum and palpable to all the senses, a grand style that was beyond mere art, but had become reality, truth, life....--All overwhelmed in a night, but not by a convulsion of nature! Not trampled to death by Teutons and others of heavy hoof! But brought to shame by crafty, sneaking, invisible, an mic vampires! Not conquered,--only sucked dry!... Hidden vengefulness, petty envy, became master! Everything wretched, intrinsically ailing, and invaded by bad feelings, the whole ghetto-world of the soul, was at once on top!--One needs but read any of the Christian agitators, for example, St. Augustine, in order to realize, in order to smell, what filthy fellows came to the top. It would be an error, however, to assume that there was any lack of understanding in the leaders of the Christian movement:--ah, but they were clever, clever to the point of holiness, these fathers of the church! What they lacked was something quite different. Nature neglected--perhaps forgot--to give them even the most modest endowment of respectable, of upright, of cleanly instincts.... Between ourselves, they are not even men.... If Islam despises Christianity, it has a thousandfold right to do so: Islam at least assumes that it is dealing with men....

60.

Christianity destroyed for us the whole harvest of ancient civilization, and later it also destroyed for us the whole harvest of Mohammedan civilization. The wonderful culture of the Moors in Spain, which was fundamentally nearer to us and appealed more to our senses and tastes than that of Rome and Greece, was trampled down (--I do not say by what sort of feet--) Why? Because it had to thank noble and manly instincts for its origin--because it said yes to life, even to the rare and refined luxuriousness of Moorish life!... The crusaders later made war on something before which it would have been more fitting for them to have grovelled in the dust--a civilization beside which even that of our nineteenth century seems very poor and very "senile."--What they wanted, of course, was booty: the orient was rich.... Let us put aside our prejudices! The crusades were a higher form of piracy, nothing more!
 
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thirdform

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I like Sadam cos he's the best wind up merchant on this forum but all this stuff about him being the only white bloke is a load of codswallop. 2000s south london is bloody whiter than Finchley!
 

thirdform

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hackney is the most bourgeois place about these days. there ain't no bloody cockneys in Hackney. You guys talk about a time barrier but there's even a mental retromania.
 

Mr. Tea

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I like Sadam cos he's the best wind up merchant on this forum but all this stuff about him being the only white bloke is a load of codswallop. 2000s south london is bloody whiter than Finchley!
South London is a fairly big place last time I looked?
 

thirdform

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South London is a fairly big place last time I looked?

big, and gentrified to all hell. brixton and streetham are crawling with ungodly amounts of hipster cafes and places that sell a blimmin chippy for a tenner, who buys a greasy chippy after a night on the vodka for a fackin tenner!
 

thirdform

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that's the good thing about leeds the chippies are filthy and greasy and cost 3 quid, they go down perfectly after 15 cans of stella, but i pity anyone who has to work in that place cos its fucking ransid.
 

thirdform

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if Anglos learnt to make russian salad after vodka that would be good. mayo, sweetcorn, carrots, pickles, potatos. get that down yer gullet and you're a vodka connoisseur.
 

thirdform

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secular liberals have fully adopted the role of christians - whereas christians in comparison appear more like our pagan or barbarian ancestors

I don't agree with Nietzsche, I think he overinvests rome and greece, but saying marxism is boring is the most inadvertently christian thing to say. Back to Rousseau we go. man is noble, his rulers are ignoble. Never cared for liberation theology either.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
We are actually making some at the weekend for guests.... not sure we'll stretch to beef either.... but we want to educate them above the horrible version they get here with all kinds of random stuff in it.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
secular liberals have fully adopted the role of christians
idk I have mixed feelings on that casting of wokeness in general and anti-racism especially in a religious light, i.e. John McWhorter

it's good to be vigilant against self-assuaging of white guilt supplanting constructive action, and it's always healthy to question orthodoxies

but I also think it usually takes a reductionist view of anti-racism and intersectionality more generally, not to mention religion, that plays up its worst elements - guilt and fundamentalism - in the course of taking a basically ahistorical view of race, racism, and anti-racism in America

if you look at the actual shift in white liberal views of race since Ferguson (the true flashpoint) it is literally from "black people do worse because they're (some euphemism of) lazy" to "systemic racism exists". there's no inherently religious impulse there.

not, tbc, that I'm saying that it never exists in practice, but do I think without serious qualification wokeness=religious is a facile reading
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
I'm also wary of the religious classification because it seems to lead into the bizarre idea I see here and elsewhere that intersectionality somehow precludes generalized human suffering, a generalized application of the "all lives matter" response to "black lives matter"

if not directly then by affinity - something like, here is this orthodoxy which says there is only one correct form of suffering
 
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