sufi

lala

sufi

lala
whoa, Frank Miller cancelled from ComicCon. @droid and I probably support this step

i also wonder about whether los bros hernandez lascivious punk chicano comics get away with it these days :(
shitty comments on that article as you might expect

& it's not the commiccon, it's just a comic convention, in UK

a bit more detail about how badly the whole thing has been handled
 

HannahB

Well-known member
  • So Lovecraft was a racist, but is still not quite cancelled?
  • R Kelly, the paedo/sex abuser, cancelled? I would still like to be able to hear his tunes, but i don't think it's allowed now
  • MJ likewise, but his tunes are canonical?
  • Conrad was a bit racist too, but is not cancelled, afaik
  • I personally cancelled Tea for racist outbursts
  • Weinstein - i guess there should be a list of movies that he made that we should avoid
  • but Woodie Allen, is he on his way to rehabilitation now?
  • our own Nina, could we rehabilitate her? How??


It's not black and white, is it? and i'm definitely not arguing for these beasts,
obviously there are all kinds of factors and complexities - the gravity of the offence - was it just words or was it actions? was it a crime? did they do the time? Did they apologise? who suffered?
how far back was it? how much water has passed under the bridge? how have our attitudes changed since?

Should we have a consistent reaction, or is there space fot personal subjectivity? Are some cancellations undermined by our own prejudices?

How come our puritanical impulses have deepened in some respects but not others? How does Boris sail through?

So many questions,
Can we have a policy clarification, please, or at least some robust guidance
Can’t cancel Weinstein
cancel Weinstein movies can’t cancel Picasso work can cancel Riefenstahl films can cancel Woody Alle
  • So Lovecraft was a racist, but is still not quite cancelled?
  • R Kelly, the paedo/sex abuser, cancelled? I would still like to be able to hear his tunes, but i don't think it's allowed now
  • MJ likewise, but his tunes are canonical?
  • Conrad was a bit racist too, but is not cancelled, afaik
  • I personally cancelled Tea for racist outbursts
  • Weinstein - i guess there should be a list of movies that he made that we should avoid
  • but Woodie Allen, is he on his way to rehabilitation now?
  • our own Nina, could we rehabilitate her? How??


It's not black and white, is it? and i'm definitely not arguing for these beasts,
obviously there are all kinds of factors and complexities - the gravity of the offence - was it just words or was it actions? was it a crime? did they do the time? Did they apologise? who suffered?
how far back was it? how much water has passed under the bridge? how have our attitudes changed since?

Should we have a consistent reaction, or is there space fot personal subjectivity? Are some cancellations undermined by our own prejudices?

How come our puritanical impulses have deepened in some respects but not others? How does Boris sail through?

So many questions,
Can we have a policy clarification, please, or at least some robust guidance
Can’t cancel Weinstein movies can’t cancel Picasso work can cancel Riefenstahl films can cancel EVERYTHING MERCHANT IVORY or BBC.
Thank you.
 

poetix

we murder to dissect
Actually thoroughly cancelling Weinstein would be like experiencing the Death of God. We have no real conception of what our mass culture would be without those movies. We have cancelled Weinstein only personally and tokenistically: in the very depths of our iconography, our cinematico-symbolic thought, we remain Weinsteinians.
 

HannahB

Well-known member
If you live and work in patriarchy and are its object of gaze you have experienced this treatment over and over again in varying degrees even if not to this degree but have not been paid to this degree either (for this extent of abuse) - [am not condoning]; casting couch is history of Hollywood film, idea of woman is object of camera man gaze. Not saying what I want to say here, it’s too public.
 
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