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pattycakes_
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You hate soulboy culture, what's new?
Imo JN is nowhere near 'the heart' of UK house culture
Imo JN is nowhere near 'the heart' of UK house culture
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
Scott Oliver can be a bit purple with his prose, but DiY were a stand-out collective for British house. Pete Woosh has cancer (see Spirit Wrestlers for his campaign) so fitting to include their work.
https://www.leftlion.co.uk/read/2014/september/diy-soundsystem-6881/
More than held their own against all odds, commercial, political, cultural, criminal, until heroin finally sapped the force. For 15 years they defined a unique experience in sound & rhythm. The antithesis of JN. Top choice locations; urban, rural, coasts, an island in Scotland, Normandy, with a rig to rival anything going. Club nights at Venus that defy description, Bounce & Floppy Disco. Toured the UK relentlessly, never sold out, treks to the US that reaped so much cross-pollination. Their label(s) are gold.
https://www.discogs.com/label/5799-Strictly-4-Groovers
https://www.discogs.com/label/483-DiY-Discs
Rick aka Grace Sands is always a good night out, seems Simon has retired near enough completely. He was one of the few pre-eminent talents that Britain produced in this realm. Combined collectively, they broke so many good records. Human zoo soirées that dissolved class, race, sexuality & religion through a steady, bottom-end thump in the night. Hours, days, transported through psychic thresholds by movement sounds cheesy, but with DiY it was the full whopping dose.
https://www.discogs.com/lists/DIY-Soundsystem-1989-present/218010
https://soundcloud.com/search?q=Simon dk
https://www.leftlion.co.uk/read/2014/september/diy-soundsystem-6881/
More than held their own against all odds, commercial, political, cultural, criminal, until heroin finally sapped the force. For 15 years they defined a unique experience in sound & rhythm. The antithesis of JN. Top choice locations; urban, rural, coasts, an island in Scotland, Normandy, with a rig to rival anything going. Club nights at Venus that defy description, Bounce & Floppy Disco. Toured the UK relentlessly, never sold out, treks to the US that reaped so much cross-pollination. Their label(s) are gold.
https://www.discogs.com/label/5799-Strictly-4-Groovers
https://www.discogs.com/label/483-DiY-Discs
Rick aka Grace Sands is always a good night out, seems Simon has retired near enough completely. He was one of the few pre-eminent talents that Britain produced in this realm. Combined collectively, they broke so many good records. Human zoo soirées that dissolved class, race, sexuality & religion through a steady, bottom-end thump in the night. Hours, days, transported through psychic thresholds by movement sounds cheesy, but with DiY it was the full whopping dose.
https://www.discogs.com/lists/DIY-Soundsystem-1989-present/218010
https://soundcloud.com/search?q=Simon dk
tbf if you wanted to blame anything for that it would be UK garage. That scene really gave people like JN a boost when so many of them jumped ship in the early 00s.
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
You could add grubby, sheeny sleeve 'art' of bikini clad nymphs, egotism, outright crimes against art, drive-thru culture. Cocaine, more cocaine, about as soulful as a sock.
Well, it depends. A lot of the people we rate are dependent on that ra/fact etc etc infrastructure to play in the UK, and 10-15 years ago it would be music mag and them lot. This doesn't mean they like those channels, it's just a necessity you have to go through them.
Of course as Washyourhands wisely points out there were free party rigs, uglyfunk, BWPT Monox (etc) who championed the ghetto house stuff, and DiY for the deeper house.
But to discount JN from UK house culture is a bit short sighted. I don't even like him but that side of watered down soulful house does have a lineage in the UK, a lineage far more adjacent in the hardcore continuum, as much as people would like to disown it. But of course not everything affiliated with the hardcore continuum is inherently good, far from it in fact.
Actually I was defending 2step garage there, the more it got dubbier and grimier, the more the house boys jumped ship.
there is no real difference between house and garage in the states. they are basically the same thing, garage is just a flavour, not a set genre with a set boundary.
This is a UK thing. I agree with patty that US house djs are more eclectic than we are. that was my whole point!
So when UK boys jump from 2step to 4x4 its of course only ever going to be that garage flavour.
This is a UK thing. I agree with patty that US house djs are more eclectic than we are. that was my whole point!
So when UK boys jump from 2step to 4x4 its of course only ever going to be that garage flavour.
lol let's not start necroing threads where everyone bigs up Pechy and Marcus Nasty playing the most bait beatport stuff. yeah man, so fresh.
This is always where i part with your london nuum boys.
Jungle, best music in the world. Garage, fantastic, grime, great for a few years. Dubstep, had its shining moments if you dig deep. bassline, fuckin let's 'av it.
But UK funky house? Spare me. that genre got better when the mcs got involved and then everyone was like nah this is causing too much trouble back to tech house we go.
there's soulful gabba though.
luka
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pattycakes_
Can turn naughty
I don't have a problem with him per se, but all I was saying is he's not the beating heart of UK house culture. He's an important figure to many and gets a lot of respect stateside from people like MAW so he must be doing something right. The thing that impresses me the most is how he manages to get his hands on the multitracks of all those disco records. He's released a few decent compilations too.
well obviously there are tendancies to blame in the continuum. there has always been a latent conservatism which has been suppressed by the societal revolutionising of the scene. but once that died down that conservative tendancy was able to reassert itself with a significant amount of force.
America had those revolutionary tendancies too, but in the 70s-80s. every tune could fuck with your head in any which way.
I'm an uncompromising hardcore soulboy. but until phuture acid trax came out. 1987. that's when it was time to move into the realm of antihuman post-soul.
anyone who is a soulboy after 1987 is a white nostalgist.
and no, this doesn't mean one cannot stop listening to soulful music. of course they must listen to even more of it. it just means they have to keep phuture acid trax in their mind every waking minute of the day and conceptualise their soul in relation to acid trax.
anyone who is a soulboy after 1987 is a white nostalgist.
and no, this doesn't mean one cannot stop listening to soulful music. of course they must listen to even more of it. it just means they have to keep phuture acid trax in their mind every waking minute of the day and conceptualise their soul in relation to acid trax.
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WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
edit - this fit in somewhere above
With garage it seemed the break from 4/4 to a half-step, with an mc front & middle, pulled in a blingy, wannabe rude-boy element, who through sheer stupidity managed to ruin a lot of nights out. It drew a lot of hardcore people in because the bass work is so consuming at quality volumes, plus the ladies.
I worked for a PA company for too long & the gradual transition over to promotions with 2 step were marked by a spike in bell end idiot punters, too many anecdotes, compounded by a lot of the jocks appearing to revel in it. Champagne, cognac & crack. There's sketchy & then there's prostitution rings, heroin suppliers, public school Nigerians throwing money everywhere before being picked up by a diplomatic dispatch team. Not slighting the music, but the promotional operators involved could be sick cunts, found that impossible to respect. There's masses of good music at that intersection of 4/4 & half step that have both signatures though. Todd Edwards & Grant Nelson will always feature here. A mate is obsessed with this world, his job meant he got every promo worth a damn & he sold masses of 2 step recently. If you're a buyer i could grip a list, he's knee deep in covid patients these days so no rush either.
With garage it seemed the break from 4/4 to a half-step, with an mc front & middle, pulled in a blingy, wannabe rude-boy element, who through sheer stupidity managed to ruin a lot of nights out. It drew a lot of hardcore people in because the bass work is so consuming at quality volumes, plus the ladies.
I worked for a PA company for too long & the gradual transition over to promotions with 2 step were marked by a spike in bell end idiot punters, too many anecdotes, compounded by a lot of the jocks appearing to revel in it. Champagne, cognac & crack. There's sketchy & then there's prostitution rings, heroin suppliers, public school Nigerians throwing money everywhere before being picked up by a diplomatic dispatch team. Not slighting the music, but the promotional operators involved could be sick cunts, found that impossible to respect. There's masses of good music at that intersection of 4/4 & half step that have both signatures though. Todd Edwards & Grant Nelson will always feature here. A mate is obsessed with this world, his job meant he got every promo worth a damn & he sold masses of 2 step recently. If you're a buyer i could grip a list, he's knee deep in covid patients these days so no rush either.
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Ah gocha. alright, will see how things are on the dole and then might drop you a pm a while later.
luka
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Love the two step. West end raves maybe sketchy if you're not into that but loads of smaller local stuff that was just young people having a laugh in their church shoes.
yeah, norf london. you cannot avoid us. evil guzzling voice.