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WebEschatology

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What do you suggest I listen to?
start with the 3 most well known albums Fantastic Damage, The Cold Vein & Labour Days

I'd also suggest you check out Mr Lif's I phantom and RJD2's Deadringer

should throw this in the mix contrary to what some nay sayers might want you to believe there were black rappers on Def Jux at one point
 

WebEschatology

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@subvert47 really i should've started you off with Rawkus cause they were the BIG backpack record label of that time (the fact that they were founded on Rupert Murdoch's dime definitley helped) but there's also Eastern Conference, the weirder end of things like Fondle 'Em and anticon, the project blowed crowd and the guys who came after it like Latryx and Blackalicious.

That's was the thing with all this stuff it was different strands of rap that all fell under this one umbrella, actually give DJ Premier's New York Reality Check 101 a look, provides a good snapshot of tunes that would later go on to be future classics and some that slipped through the cracks
 

wektor

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BAPE's founder NIGO released a compilation with more than a few summer anthems.
Personally I found the tune with Ferg tasty in particular.
 

WebEschatology

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never liked Asap Ferg always thought he was a terrible rapper, best thing he did was put Shabba Ranks on the remix of the tune named after him
 

WebEschatology

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had a listen to the new EST Gee/42 Dugg & billy woods/ preservation albums, two very different rap albums but i like them but i probably prefer the latter more so

I feel like i should like 42 Dugg more than i do but just on some of the Atlanta trap sounding stuff he comes off like just like another Atlanta rapper to me where as on the michigan beats he sounds more like himself, Gee is more consistant and just a very visceral rapper like he's trying to speed through his verse and you're just hanging on trying to follow him. The albums basically a brand exercise as their both on Yo Gotti's label now but its solid considering what's led to these two getting together.

woods/preservation more low key and "out of time" sounding but really solid and all the guests pull their weight on the album i'd be interested to see what people think of Gabe 'Nandez & Fatboi Sharif who are two of the more recent notable names to come up in underground rap especially Sharif cause i feel like some folk in here would like him cause they can spot his influences easier. i wish the former had a verse on the album and the latter at first i thought it was weird but i'm adjusting to it
 

WebEschatology

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anyone into billy woods, backwoodz studioz? it's a thing that lots of white Brooklyn indie hipster types have been into, pitchfork just raved about the new one.
scroll up i've just been talking about it

@Leo have they been raving about him? you'll have to tell me i feel like there's more than one variant of white Brookyln indie hipster now especially with rap, its funny you say pitchfork are "raving" about it cause certain people bring up how his albums get good reviews but they never crack beyond a 8

its music journalism shit sure but most rap never cracks that glass cieling
 
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Leo

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can't speak to bitchfork and their silly scoring system, not sure it's racist per se (since they lean towards PC and have given plenty of black artists top scores), but I distinctly recall encountering a group of said WBIHs raving about how weird/raw/underground the woodz stuff was. as the review mentions, it was certainly reminiscent of Def Jux worship from a similar demographic back in the day.
 

Leo

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all of that being said, I probably know less about current rap than most people on this board, certainly a lot less than you do, Webster.
 

WebEschatology

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can't speak to bitchfork and their silly scoring system, not sure it's racist per se (since they lean towards PC and have given plenty of black artists top scores), but I distinctly recall encountering a group of said WBIHs raving about how weird/raw/underground the woodz stuff was. as the review mentions, it was certainly reminiscent of Def Jux worship from a similar demographic back in the day.
honestly i feel like the comparisons with Def Jux get brought up so much its kind of annoying even the review itself says that the comparison is more outdated than anything cause backwoodz stuff refuses to go backwards and they tend to be more non-linear and "out of time" so to speak than Def Jux did, if you want to be glib about it Def Jux and similiar labels like it were founded on a principal of pushing back against mainstream rap and the values/constructs that they espoused.

Which lets face it is a construct in and of it self which many people had to figure out and unlearn and realise did more harm than good

also @Leo you're gonna have to explain what a WBIH is? cause none of the results i'm getting seem right
 
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Leo

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haha...that was just my made-up abbreviation for the "white Brooklyn indie hipster" segment we're talking about. it's not a real abbreviation, although it should be.
 

Leo

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honestly i feel like the comparisons with Def Jux get brought up so much its kind of annoying even the review itself says that the comparison is more outdated than anything cause backwoodz stuff refuses to go backwards and they tend to be more non-linear and "out of time" so to speak than Def Jux did, if you want to be glib about it Def Jux and similiar labels like it were founded on a principal of pushing back against mainstream rap and the values/constructs that they espoused.

Which lets face it is a construct in and of it self which many people had to figure out and unlearn and realise did more harm than good

also, I wasn't comparing the sound of woodz to Def Jux, I was comparing how some current WBIHs seem to worship woodz in the same way that past WBIHs did for Def Jux back in the day.

and sorry I didn't realize you just posted about billy w, I confess I don't really pay close attention to rap threads.
 
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